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I think readers would be interested to hear about agencies which issue, or allow, 1911 platforms as duty guns. What mods are performed or allowed, holsters, duty ammo, etc.

I know Hurst TX PD has been issued Colt Government Models, slightly modified by the Custom Shop, for years. Wish I worked there!

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Hi Stephen,

First, it is Rob, not Mr. Garrett!!!! I'm not that old.

Second, I have enjoyed your posts on this forum. Keep them coming.

What ammo and holsters are in use. I always knew I liked Texas, even before "W" came along.

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Certain agents are allowed to carry their choice of weapons. My choice is a Para P13-45 Ltd. No modifications of any factory safeties, and no compensators. Anything else goes. I must qualify 4 times a year with it however, or I would be forced to carry a Glock.

I carry mine in a Wild Bill's speed scabbard.
 

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I work for the State of Texas and my agency does allow the 1911, and has no restrictions on mods etc, they dont even have a written policy on what we can carry.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ken Neal on 2001-04-17 19:10 ]</font>
 

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"I always knew I liked Texas, even before "W" came along."

Considering you haven't come for a visit here in 5 years, how would you know what Texas was like! :grin::

Take a flight here, and you might see more than just 1911's in the holsters of lawmen. I am told that there are some guys between Alpine and Presidio that are actually carrying SAA's!
 

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Well, my current department does not allow 1911's even for off duty, but I did do a little study of places that allow it trying to convince my chief. I got the "I'll think about it," look. Which means no. Anyway, here's a little list of who allows it for on-or off-duty:

Downey PD, CA
Culver City PD, CA
LASO, CA
Yavapai County Sheriffs Office, AZ
Mt. Vernon PD, IL
Bourbannais PD, IL
Kankakee County Sheriffs Office, IL
Ottawa PD, IL
Denver PD, CO
Denver Co Sheriffs Office, CO
Douglas Co Sheriffs Office, CO
Prescott PD, AZ
Scottsdale PD, AZ
Albequerqe PD, NM
West Frankfort PD, IL
Champaign PD, IL
Metro Las Vegas PD, NV
Sonoma County Sheriff's Department, CA
Richmond PD, CA
Ukiah PD, CA
Pierce CO, WA
Southern Illinois University-Carbondale PD
LAPD SWAT
FBI SWAT
FI HRT
And a whole bunch of little rural "backwater" PD's all over this great nation where they actually hire a chief or elect a sheriff that might know something about guns and not get worried that it's "cocked." I was very much impressed with the one university on the list, very enlightened of them. One of the reasons I would like to transfer there.

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Mr. Garrett ( and yes, you ARE that old ), believe it or not, the very liberal Emory University Police Department in Atlanta started allowing the carrying of "cocked and locked" in about 1985 and still allows it. At present, about 1/3 of the dept. does so and their experience has been that officers who do so perform better during qual's than those that don't. Whether that is inherent to the pistol or because the better shooters tend to pick that mode is probably open to debate. Be Safe.
 

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about 1/3 of the dept. does so and their experience has been that officers who do so perform better during qual's than those that don't. Whether that is inherent to the pistol or because the better shooters tend to pick that mode is probably open to debate. Be Safe.
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This would be an interesting debate. Want to start it? I'll play middle of the road and hedge my bets with "BOTH".

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Witherspoon on 2001-04-20 19:04 ]</font>
 

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Witherspoon - I'm afraid I can't argue with you, therefore no debate. When I went from Uniform Div. to Detectives and was allowed to carry what I wanted, I chose the 1911 ( Randall Combat Model C, the first stainless steel .45, beating Colt by two years ) because I knew what I was doing, thanks to a series of excellent instructors. However, once converted I became an apostle and led others along the true path and saw that the usual result was a quick improvement in both scores and skills. I believe this is due to two primary factors. First is that JMB knew what the hell he was doing when he designed the grips. People with small hands do well and people with big hams, like mine, also do well with the fit of grip-to-hand. Second is that the operating system is simple, reliable and easy to use under stress AS LONG AS said individual is willing to be well trained and maintain proficiency in the manual of arms for said pistol. Just like with the Glock, I wouldn't want it in the hands of a beginner. I believe DAO pistols are a mechanical solution to a training problem and done for the Lowest Common Denominator problem that almost all agencies face.

However, I LOVE to debate...........simply pick another topic.
 

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my department issues the glock m22. however, i started as a reserve police officer and reserves have to supply their own weapons. i carried a glock for several years. i switched to a colt, not because i don't like glock, because its an awesome combat weapon, but i just like the 1911 better. my chief allows us to carry under certain guidelines, and luckily he knows they are good weapons. my brother is a reserve, and after messing with my colt he got a springfield full size and a kimber pro carry. he understands now too.
i see quite a few 1911's in holsters here in oklahoma. its a choice that only some of us get to make, and i am happy to be one of the officers who gets that choice.

one final thing just for kicks...

when i was in police academy, the range masters were going to show us they could run the course of fire in half the time. it was interesting to see the gold cups come out of the bags!!

russel the cop
 

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You can add my Dept. to the list . We are allowed to carry 1911s . Mine is lightly street customized , safety , beavertail,trigger job , several other frame mods to enhance it . I started the 1911 craze at my dept. about 10 years ago being the first Deputy to use the 1911 there . Now about half our force carries some sort of 1911 , the rest are glocks and a few rugers . The hi-way peetrol here carries the Glock 22 so some guys who think Troopers are next to god just go buy a glock before trying anything else . Then I let em shoot my 1911 and they get sick over it realizing their mistake . My Sheriff carries a sig 226 but he can really shoot it so I cant fault that . He is an old Navy viet-nam vet so he knows about Colts to. Several are dept. also allow the 1911 , Mtn View , mo. P.D. , Oregon Co. S.O. , Ozark Co. S.O. , Douglas Co. S.O. , just about all the mo. counties allow it in my area except a few cities ( GLOCK CONTROLLED AREA )
 

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Lenexa (KS) PD issues, or did issue, Colt Series 80s back when. I just saw a couple of their guys in April and they still had 1911s in their duty holsters, but admitted that their department is undergoing the ballistic dumbing-down by forcing newbies to carry a (fill in name of 'modern' pistol here).

Oh well . . . .
Albuquerque was allowing 1911s when I was there in Jan 1999. Several of their troops when ga-ga over a (then new) Pro Carry I brought. They shot it, they liked it.

Can't do better than that.

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Hi, Guys
Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. I am a retired police officer from N.M. In the 80's my department ok'ed 1911's and some of carried them untill the department went to the Sig 226. The 1911 is still allowed for off duty use with no restrictions on mods. The ones I carried were a C$S custom Commander. I also carried a Clark and a CQB prior to retirement and continue to do so.
Long live the 1911.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Duke on 2001-08-11 21:15 ]</font>
 

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Eric is correct about Denver. We're allowed 1911s (series 80 only) and Para Ordinance, which have earned a less than stellar reputation. Also H&K (USP full, compact,and P series), SIG, Beretta (92 and Cougar), Smith&Wesson (three and four digit models), and Glock (must have NY trigger spring). Nothing is issued - we buy our own.

Oddly enough, they'll allow 1911s, but won't let me carry my USP45 condition one.
 
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