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Ok guys, since we're discussing ammo at great length, anyone have an opinion on 200 grain jhp ammo? I'd thought it may be a good compromise between lightweight 185 grain and slow 230 grain. I'm currently using 230 grain Hydrashock because I don't want to shoot +P in my lightweight commander. I have every confidence in the HS round, but will admit I had previously used Corbon +P 200 grain (in steel framed guns or Glocks)due to its higher velocity and flatter trajectory . When I first started using it in the early 90's it used the speer "flying ashtray" bullet, now I think it's a XTP, but I'm not sure.

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Tim,
Shoot them for accuracy and reliability then pick one.
The bullets you have mentioned are all in the same performance category (XTP, flying ashtray, Hydra-Shock). Once you find the most/accurate/reliable loading test it and give it some thought.
Once you like it buy a few cases from the same lot# and shoot/ carry them.
In 200 gr loads specifically, I have always liked the XTP, and I also like the new Gold Dot rounds. If you like 230 gr loads the Winchester Talon 230gr +P is a very good round, I am in the process of testing some of the new 200gr Federal EFMJ and it looks promising so far. In 185gr loads I would stick with an XTP in a +P loading and stay away from the Hydra Shock and Golden Saber 185's, the Sabers have one of the birghtest muzzle flashes I have ever seen in a .45 loading and the 185 Hydra Shocks usually fail to expand, I have a few from a Deer hunt in 97. They all clogged and one looks clean enough to reload again.
 

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Thanks guys. I think I'll stick with the 230 grain Hydras in my lightweight commander. I was just wondering if anyone had any strong opinions one way or the other regarding the +P 200 grain stuff.

Tim
 
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Tim,
Recently I had the oppurtunity to test some of the Black Hills 230gr.+P Gold Dot loads and I was so impressed with them I placed an order for their 200gr.+P loadings.
The 200gr. +P should be an optimum loading for a commander and Officers length barrel.
If the 230gr loads are an indicator the 200gr loadings should prove to be excellent, I plan to begin testing within the next few weeks.
 

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David,

I look forward to reading the results of your testing. I'm also interested in any noted difference in point of impact at 15 and 25 yards when compared to 230 grain ammo in a properly regulated fixed sight pistol (particularly a commander).

Tim
 

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On 2001-06-06 06:11, TimB92020 wrote:
David,

I look forward to reading the results of your testing. I'm also interested in any noted difference in point of impact at 15 and 25 yards when compared to 230 grain ammo in a properly regulated fixed sight pistol (particularly a commander).

Tim
Tim;
My experience, limited as it is, over the years is that, unlike revolvers, the 1911 does not vary its point of impact with bullet weight at the ranges we are interested in. At least not with predictability. It seems to be more a function of individual barrel characteristics, powder and the particular bullet.

For all practical purposes I can count on hitting within about 2" at 25yards with any normal load from 185 to 240 grains (and 165s may do the same, I just have not tried any). But you have to test your gun to confirm this.

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Jim Higginbotham
 

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David,
Where did you order your Black Hills Ammo?

Thanks, Bill DeZarn
 

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Jim H,

Thanks for your comments regarding point of impact. I have had similar experiences, was just wondering if maybe I'm not a good enough shot to tell the difference!

I raised the question because have a steel framed commander project in the works with Dane, and I'm having the sights regulated for 230 grain ammo. Just checking to see if my opinions are way off base. I'm very fond of the +P 200 gr. jhp round but haven't used it in a while since I switched to an aluminum framed commander for off duty carry.

I also have a 5 inch gun that has had work done by a local smith. (He's since discontinued his gunsmithing activities.) It's all finished except for sights and reparkerizing. It was dead on prior to fitting the match barrel, now shoots about 3 inches high. I was thinking about having MMC adjustable sights installed, just wondering what front sight height to order.

Tim
 

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DAVID has a lot of good experience with ammo. I always prefer a lighter faster bullet, I have had a lot of shootings with the guns I work on, and its always bullet placement and the kind of projectile you select. I just recentely had a conversation with one of my customers who is a pathologist and he saw some devastating result with the 185 gr sierra 45 acp bullet.

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COR-BON uses a Sierra bullet in their 200 gr jhps. They never used a Gold Dot in the 200, only or a very short while in the 230 gr loading.
I use +P ammo in all of my light weight guns. If I wear it out or break it (which I have yet do), I'll buy another one. I have fired several thousand +P rounds through several lightweight guns with no excessive wear.
 
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When the Gold Dot line was first released CCI/Blount did not have a replacement bullet developed and manufactured to replace the 200gr "ashtry" wide mouth JHP bullet.
They did in fact label and catalog the 200gr round as the "Gold Dot" packaging. The revised 200gr bullet was released 26 months after the introduction of the "Gold Dot" moniker.
Corbon did in fact load the 200gr CCI/Blount bullet for over three years in the Corbon Defensive Ammunition line also as the "Gold Dot" altough it was not a true "gold dot" loading.

The loading was changed in generation three to utilize the Sierra bullets.

Although it is a play on wording, but both sides are correct in this case.

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Ok. Whatever the terminology is/was, COR-BON only loaded the real Gold Dot bullets in their 230 gr loading. The 200 for several years was the excellent "flying ashtray" bullet.
 
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I thought it may be interesting to post this info.
The bullet below is in fact a Corbon loaded CCI/Blount 200gr+P "flying Ashtray".

This bullet was used by an off duty policeman armed with a personally owned mil spec 1911 in Panama.
He had wisely paid an American soldier $40.00 for 10 rounds of Corbon .45 ammo.

The man kept his issue arm loaded with JHP in the chamber and ball in the mag as his pistol would not feed JHP ammo.

Luckily in his case only one "magic" round was fired the bullet penetrated through the heart on a left hand trajectory and came to rest just inside the rib cage.

The attacker instantly collapsed and expired on the scene.
The fired bullet weighs 184grs and expanded to .91"

An interesting side note is that today the policeman is a deputy commander and carries a Springfield custom .45 with a full magazine of "Flying Ashtray" ammo.


 

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I have a photo of 3 types of JHP at this address...You may be able to tell from it what bullet is used in each...There are Cor-Bon,Triton, and Speer in the photo...Can anyone tell which projectile is used in each?

http://wsphotofews.excite.com/027/MS/uZ/ww/z939249.jpg

I would post the pic, but it's quite large as I recall and prefer not to waste the bandwidth others may need...:wink:
 
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