A few thoughts about Glock

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VoceNoctum

Discussion Starter · Apr 8, 2001

I was watching a video about glock's, and they mentioned their calibers, calling the .357 Sig ".357 auto".
As has been pointed out to me before, and I've noticed, Glock won't put another companies name on their guns. .45 acp is just .45 for instance. (I'm sure no one cares that .40 S&W is just .40, but still)
I also saw their history, short and pointless ("in 1998, Glock continues to expand to keep up with the times" or some other useless line...)
NO mention of the VP70, no mention of NOT being the first with a striker fired polymer gun.

The guns work, but does anyone else think the company's ego seems a bit much?
(Not getting into the whole "Glock's are perfect" thread or any of that..)

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Casey

· #2 · Apr 10, 2001

Yeah, the company's ego is almost as big as a Glock fanatic's ego. You don't dare say a thing about a Glock to a true fanatic.

Of course, some of the 1911 fans are a little fanatic, also.

Casey

Rosco Benson

· #3 · Apr 10, 2001

A good friend of mine made the observation that a Glock is the only quality pistol one can obtain that comes without pride of ownership. That may be a bit harsh. Personally, I find the Glocks easy to like, but hard to love.

They ARE good pistols (particularly the 9mm's), but the kool-aid drinkers of the cult of Glock seem to worship it.

Rosco

VoceNoctum

Discussion Starter · #4 · Apr 11, 2001

I'm still thinking of getting a G32 in .357 sig (which, they called .357 auto :smile:
But, I need to fire one first. I can't hit $hit with the 23 or 19 (no matter how long I aim...) Same day I was doing fine with the 1911's we had there.
::shrug::
The other thing, on the video, it says "lifetime warrenty" but all the paperwork with the gun says 1 year. Has anyone tried them after a year? (The one I know of that got sent back for a kB they said it wasn't there fault, and wouldn't fix it, though it was only 6 months old)

Chris Oslin

· #5 · Apr 16, 2001

Well - I guess I drank some of the kool-aid, but not all of it. I am not a Glock fanatic, but I do have faith in them. If something really better comes along, I'll try it. The Glocks just seem to have a good combination of what one should expect from a pistol.

Like many, I love my 1911's, but for combat purposes, I'll take the Glock. They are not as elegant, but they WORK. Period.

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Dane Burns

· #6 · Apr 16, 2001

They work right up till they KaBoom! They work just fine except for the problem of frame flex and limp wristing them. Other than those slight little problems they are an interesting design.

Oh, sorry I forgot, the limp wrist/frame flex cause disasterious results at the second shot...hope the first one solves the problem because dbl feeds are a bear to clear :grin:

Now the KaBooms? That is the perfect justification for a second Glock to be carried at all times.
:razz:

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die

· #7 · Apr 16, 2001

Dane: you seems not to like the Glocks. Coming from a pistolsmith like you, is a point of view to take in account. I ave four Glocks in near every caliber, and they work very good for me. They have flaws, of course, they are not the perfect machines they claim. For the record, i own one of the first 36 model, that was available here long before it was in United States, with the all magazine, and i cannot said it was a jamatic gun, every time the magazine is loaded with 5 bullets, it jam. It not limpwristing from me, because is the only glock i have with this problem. I think Glock reform the magazine to work. But overall, is a very reliable design that function well. It not the best design for bull target, wich however is not for the game i want it, but for for self defense is okey.

shootingbuff

· #8 · Apr 16, 2001

food for thought - wonder how many 38 supers and other higher pressure loads KB'd in a 1911 style of pistol?

If not for the smileies.....

I can see why a pistol smith would not like Glocks. They can not work on them because there is nothing really to do. If one wants to change anything 2-3 pins is all that is required to deal with it. There is no money in gunsmithing Glocks unless you can put in a 1.5lb trigger like Custom Glock Racing. So yes I can see why pistolsmiths would not like Glocks

.

sb

Blackjack

· #9 · Apr 16, 2001

On 2001-04-16 10:24, shootingbuff wrote:
food for thought - wonder how many 38 supers and other higher pressure loads KB'd in a 1911 style of pistol?

If not for the smileies.....

I can see why a pistol smith would not like Glocks. They can not work on them because there is nothing really to do. If one wants to change anything 2-3 pins is all that is required to deal with it. There is no money in gunsmithing Glocks unless you can put in a 1.5lb trigger like Custom Glock Racing. So yes I can see why pistolsmiths would not like Glocks .

sb

Actually not true at all.

Both DB and T. Mark Graham of ARS do _major_ Glock work for folks who receive a Federal Paycheck and are serious about what they carry. ( Among others )

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Matt VDW

· #10 · Apr 16, 2001

Both DB and T. Mark Graham of ARS do _major_ Glock work for folks who receive a Federal Paycheck and are serious about what they carry.

What sort of work do they do?

Blackjack

· #11 · Apr 16, 2001

On 2001-04-16 12:09, Matt VDW wrote:
[quote:212ra4tr]Both DB and T. Mark Graham of ARS do _major_ Glock work for folks who receive a Federal Paycheck and are serious about what they carry.

What sort of work do they do?
[/quote:212ra4tr]

See http://www.burnscustom.com/

and http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com

Dane Burns

· #12 · Apr 16, 2001

shootingbuff wrote:
wonder how many 38 supers and other higher pressure loads KB'd in a 1911 style of pistol?

SB you miss the point. I have blow a fist full of 1911s and can usually get them up and running at the range. If not, in the shop, in short order. NEVER seen a Glock come through a KaBoom even remotely usable afterwards.

Supers in a 1911 blew because the case was being asked to do something it wasn't designed for. Gun doesn't have a problem with the level of power. Glocks KaBoom because they are poorly designed IMO. Glocks blow because the case is unsupported, the locking luggs get battered and gun fires out of battery or the barrel design causes presure spikes from factory ammo. Take your pick.
For your personal KaBoom.

The first round malf is documented and whitnesses hundreds of times. Go to any firearms class and you will see it first thing on the line every time.

I like Glocks, make a fair living rebuilding them. I just would never trust a Glock with my life if anything else were available. YMMV of course.

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shootingbuff

· #13 · Apr 16, 2001

Thanks I hang my head in shame.

sb

die

· #14 · Apr 16, 2001

Dane: i respect your opinion about the Glocks, but i don't agree with you. To this time, i never have a serious problem with anyone i have or i shoot. The only problem i know was a KBOOM of a Glock 26. But in this case, the problem seems to be overpressure ammo (Magtech 95 grs. high speed manufacture defective, recognice with the fabric). Now, if you think that with a better design, you can avoid this kind of kboom, that another matter. For the record, i know of a Heckler USP 45auto and a Walther P99 40, that were destroyed because of bad ammo. These implies that both are bad designs? I don't think so. The perfect machine just doesn't exist.

Amelia

· #15 · Apr 17, 2001

On 2001-04-16 12:58, Dane Burns wrote:

I like Glocks, make a fair living rebuilding them. I just would never trust a Glock with my life if anything else were available.

That's a pretty strong statement. ANYTHING else?

hmmm...?

Dane Burns

· #16 · Apr 17, 2001

That's a pretty strong statement. ANYTHING else?

I know I have a habit of that kind of thing...wife hates it :grin: Nothing more at the moment :grin:

Heck! I is MY life after all :roll:

VoceNoctum

Discussion Starter · #17 · Apr 18, 2001

I know of two Kb's personally, both G21's, one was factory ammo, the other the Magsafe's that say "do not use in G21" on them in big bold letters. :smile:
Now, I can't hold Glock to blame for the Magsafe, but the other one was standard blazer. When returned to Glock (6 months after it was manufactured) they said "it's not our problem, obviously the ammo's fault"
They offered to sell a replacement gun at a reduced cost (350 IIRC, not sure now) or told us we'd have to take it up with CCI.

The legendary reliability (which, isn't completly true either) is based on a large chamber that'll take just about any bullet. The draw back to that is the excessive headspace, which make's the cases bulge to almost unusability, and risks Kboomie's.

James

· #18 · Apr 18, 2001

On 2001-04-16 12:58, Dane Burns wrote:
I like Glocks, ................ I just would never trust a Glock with my life if anything else were available. YMMV of course.

I'll second that! Make mine a 1911, Beretta, or Sig in that order.

Mute

· #19 · Apr 18, 2001

How many times do I have to say this? Glocks DO jam. I have a 19, one of the best models in the Glock line up. It has jammed a few times on me. Not enough for me to be concerned but certainly not perfect. Of course it's a moot point as I only carry 1911s nowadays.

Chris Oslin

· #20 · Apr 19, 2001

Well - I am certain that any gun can jam, including Glocks. While at the AZ State IDPA Championship a few weeks ago, The SSP division was dominated by Glocks of all configurations, shooting ammo of every design, and I saw only one of them jam. The jam was shooter induced by the slide striking a barricade/with a bent, limp wrist shot taken around the barricade. When the malfunction happened, the RO said "WOW! A Glock jammed?", then about 5 people on the range came up to look, in amazement. Once the jam was explained, and the shooter admitted it was shooter induced, everyone seemed relieved.

Just food for thought.

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