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Another starter to things going.

I'm sure most folks now carry back-ups on a regular basis. Are there any readers that work for agencies which issue / require back-ups or have severe restrictions on brands, calibers, ammo, etc.?

I'm looking forward to an LE forum.

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Howdy partner,

I carry a Para P13-45 Ltd. S/S on and off duty - with no back-up allowed. Some selected agents just received the "priveledge" to carry off duty. This is a quote from the brass. Imagine - the priveledge to defend my life and others. That's Canada for you.

FYI - most Canadian cops and LEO's do not enjoy the "priveledge." Our government thinks that we are only responsible enough to carry firearms 9 - 5. I guess we all turn into psychopaths once the whistle blows. :roll:

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That's a dumb question,45 of course,why?
cause they don't make no 50 on a 1911

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Hey Joey,

A few of our guys up here tried that as well. They were caught and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Pretty sad. A few lost their jobs over their belief that they should have the right to be armed 100% of the time, and carry B/U if they choose.

My opinion is that a cop is not much good without a gun when the SHTF. I'm not sure what your oath stated, but I'm pretty sure that it was words to the effect that you are an officer of the peace morning, noon and night. It's the night part that scares me. Hard to take an oath like that when you're unarmed the majority of the time due to regs, and they don't even allow B/U when you are.

Good luck - PLEASE - don't get caught!
Shane.

Interesting sidebar - A Canadian Brinks officer drew his duty weapon a few years ago to prevent a crime in progress (I believe it was a purse-snatching) and he too was charged with tons of weapons offences. Apparently, the Brinks/Loomis/Wells Fargo dudes can only draw if someone is trying to steal their money. That's it. Period. No other reason is acceptable.



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Our department is rewriting regs. They, so far, still allow backups, though apparently doing away with caliber restrictions.

Mine is a 642, currently loaded with Proload 110 JHPs. Since I'm in detectives, it's usually carried in an Alessi Ankle Holster.

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My backup is the Glock 27 loaded with Fed. HydraShok 165 grainers. My only bitch with it is that it is a tad too "thick" in my opinion. I wish it were a little more 'slimmer'. But in an Alessi ankle rig, under a pair of dress slacks it still hides pretty well.

From where I am from, backups are approved. I, for the life of me, can't understand ANY agency that would disallow a backup weapon! What kind of logic is that?
 

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Hey guys, I carry a S&W 49 airweight bodyguard wi. unc.mikes boot grips loaded with 125 corbon. Was carrying the 110 +P treasury load, cant find it anymore. Is the Proload the same? I am carrying in on/off duty in a Renegade ankle holster. man that holster is great. My dept regs allow backups, the one right beside us, the liberal bastion of the midwest, does not. Go figure which training class the chief went to, or what Old School he is from. It really is that simple, pathetic that it may be. I have already had my main gun broken on duty, and thank god I had my backup, esp. when the probationer and I searched for the stabber in an assault case. That sucked. Guys, keep it real. be safe, DougC
 

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DougC--you think you're near liberal hell, I live in the People's Republik of Illinois. Wouldn't be so bad if we could get rid of Chicago and collar counties.

I carry either a Taurus 85 or a newly acquired old Colt Agent. I really love the agent. I just shot a 100% with it on quals. Very impressed with it since they were the first rounds I'd put through it.

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Well, for now, we are ISSUED either a S&W-640 in .357, a Model 60 in .38 Sp., or a Glock 26. This policy changed 18 months ago from a more or less 200 year old "personally owned and authorized" firearms policy, that was the best firearms policy I have ever seen. The Commissioner who did this was a former NYPD Commissioner, who has been removed by W. and his administration. :smile:

We are hoping that whoever the incoming boss is will change the policy back to what it had been for so many years, but I have seen very few policies changed to being less restrictive for officers.

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Rob Wrote;
Another starter to things going.

I'm sure most folks now carry back-ups on a regular basis. Are there any readers that work for agencies which issue / require back-ups or have severe restrictions on brands, calibers, ammo, etc.?

I'm looking forward to an LE forum.
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We don't require a backup but as the fellow who establishes dept policy, I strongly advise it. The backup has to be OK'd by me and the officer has to pass the regular service sidearm qualification with it to carry it.... BGs are not easier to hit or stop just becuase you are off duty or you are injured:)

I don't do much uniform work anymore so I have the luxury of carrying concealed and my second gun is normally a Glock 23 or another 1911 of some kind or a 3 3/4" 1917 S&W loaded with .45 Super.

Be careful out there!
Jim Higginbotham


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Emclain, where in the lovely state of IL are you at? I have an Agent and was able to nail bowling pins at 150yds with the thing about 15% of the time, and the rest of the rounds were extremely close, most likely would have been on the torso of an individual. Load was 158+P SWC's. Had to hold about 18inches(SWAG) over, but was surprised by the accuracy. This was at the range in Milan, near Rock Island. If your dept has a tac team that wants to play, let me know. I have a plt of snipers who are always interested in new training opportunities. Semper Fidelis..Ken M
 

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I'm in DeKalb. Love my agent, no doubt. I work for NIU PD, we have no tac team, but if you still wanna play, lemme know. I take any and all opportunities to play, er...train.
BTW, just found out one of my amigos here is leaving our department for DeKalb City, they don't allow back-ups. Dumb.

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Our department rules and regulations do not prohibit back up weapons but I am the only one of our 11 man department that carries one- S&W 640-1 w/ 158 gr. +P LHP. I just had IWI put night sights on it. As I got older and started using trifocals the front sights was more difficult to pick up.

Back up is carried in left pants pocket in Mika Pistol Pocket. Two Bianchi speed strips are carried in right front slash pocket.
 

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S%W 640 .38 in ankle holster. Wasn't carrying a 2nd weapon weapon about about 18 months ago when I really needed it. Now I don't go to work without it. I don't think anyone else on this small dept.(about 30 officers) carries one.
 

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My issue weapon is an HK USP45 in a Safariland 070 SSIII. I back it up with a S&W 342PD in a vest holster. My agency allows anything as a second gun, provided one can qualify with it. Off duty, I carry my personal HK USP45, with the 342PD in an Alessi ankle holster. In NJ, full time Police Officers may carry at all times. There are different statutes for other law enforcement positions, and each agency may of course set policies restricitng same.
 

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Either a S&W 642 with 125 JHP Nyclads or a Glock 27 with 155 Gold Dot. Both in the only ankle rig worth having, Alessi.
 

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Like many western sheriff's offices, we allow a wide variety of personally owned weapons and with back-ups and off duty, if you can qualify, you can carry it.

For backups that is fine, but as a firearms instructor, I would like the department to give more guidance. I particularly like Tacoma PD's policy of Glocks and 1911s. It takes care of everybody and simplfies things.
 
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I have carried several as backup guns. THe S&W 442 in a Renegade ankle holster. The S$W 642 in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster. I have also carried the Glock 26 and 27 in the front pocket but they work better for me in the back pocket. I am waiting on a Alessi ankle rig for the Glcok 26 now.

The departments that I work for do not restrict the use of backup guns.

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I mandate a "secondary" for everyone on my staff; a tertiary on those "special" occassions. Dictation of policy has been quite easy. Setting and living the example has been only slightly more difficult. Only on few occassions have I been ultimately compelled to pontificate on the merits of my edict.

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My department allows us to carry a back up and off duty as long as we get the approval of our chief. We also must qualify with the weapon before we can carry it. I am also limited, by policy, to 9mm and above.

Paul
 
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