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Just got my P7M8! Now I need a Holster(IWB).
As I understand is not an easy task to make a holster for this gun. So I need your advice.
I have a Versa Max 2 for my Kimber Compact CDP and even though is very confortable and the quality is terrific, it has been very rough on the pistol finish. I wonder if a soft leather lining would help to prevent this.
By the way, I'm curious to know why is so difficult to make a holster for the P7M8?
 

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The P-7 series of pistols are indeed butt heavy, but they also present a problem with holster design because of the squeeze cocker. The design must allow enough room to obtain a shooting grip on the pistol. The amount of pistol forward of the trigger guard doesn't leave much for a holster maker to use for retention. That's why it's a challenge to get a good balance between accessability of the gun without giving up retention values, all the while allowing for a solid, and stable belt mounting system that doesn't interfere with a solid shooting grip. Hope that makes sense!
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Go to the Park Cities Tactical bulletin board, Cult of the P7, and do a search for holsters:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/cgi-b ... matebb.cgi
There is a *lot* of info here. You could add "Sawbones" to the search criteria...he has done several holster reviews and has a wealth of info on the subject.
There are few holster makers out there who know how to properly handle the requirements of the P7 line. Lou is one of the few that get high marks in this regard.
 

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My money's on Lou's "Watch Six" or Sparks Watch Six Dual Talon from Sparks for an M8.

http://www.miltsparks.com/Watch_Six_DT.htm

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I have a Versa Max 2 for my Kimber Compact CDP and even though is very confortable and the quality is terrific, it has been very rough on the pistol finish. I wonder if a soft leather lining would help to prevent this.
Regarding the finish of your pistol, I borrowed this from the Milt Sparks FAQ (hope they don't mind).
Q:I am concerned about holster wear on my guns finish. Is there anything that can be done to prevent this?

A: Our holsters are designed for use by professionals and others who carry a handgun routinely for sport, personal defense or as mandated by their profession. We would hope that anyone considering carrying a sidearm for sport or personal defense would seek out and attain proper training, and then practice regularly. Having said that, I'll get to the heart of the subject. The act of drawing your pistol from whatever container you choose to carry your weapon in, creates friction at the points of contact, and eventually those points will begin to show signs of wear. For that reason it would be unreasonable to expect that your personal sidearm will remain in pristine condition forever. It matters not whether your holster is lined or un-lined, as a lined holster simply delays the inevitable. If you practice hard your guns finish will wear, or maybe it would be better to say, develop character. You will have to learn to deal with it.

This is not to say we are insensitive to our customers concerns about holster wear, its just that the reality of the matter sucks. Holsters whether they are made of plastic, leather, horsehide/cowhide, lined or un-lined, soft leather/ hard leather do not protect gun finishes as much as we would like. Nobody in the industry (at least the ones that are honest about it) can claim they have the solution in their product.

Certain gun finishes are more prone to wear then others and this may be food for thought for those that are concerned about it. Blued finishes are at the bottom of the list in terms of durability and corrosion resistance, but IMHO nothing compares in terms of beauty. Parkerizing offers better corrosion resistance then bluing, but is only slightly better in the wear department. Baked on Teflon or Poly finishes offer better corrosion and wear resistance then bluing or Parkerizing but can scratch easily. Hard Chrome and Nickel based finishes such as NP3 offer excellent wear and corrosion resistance, but are only available in silver or gray finishes. And then finally, there is always stainless steel. Stainless steel is not totally corrosion resistant, but the appearance can be maintained by polishing or bead blasting when needed.
Personally, I like guns with "character." My BHP.40 looks like it has been dragged behind a truck for a couple of blocks, but it has been my everyday pistol for several years now. It's seen thousands of holster presentations, hundreds of IDPA matches and about 15,000 rounds so far -- and it looks it. Just shows that it's loved :smile:.

Chad

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Thank you guys for your input and expertise.
But I still have another question.

Lou said;

" The design must allow enough room to obtain a shooting grip on the pistol. The amount of pistol forward of the trigger guard doesn't leave much for a holster maker to use for retention."

Does this means that the P7 PSP and the M8 uses diferent holsters because of the difference in size of the trigger guard?
 

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I have the Watch six from Lou , The VM-2 from sparks and the Extreme Heat from Wild Bill's.
The pistol is kinda heavy and the holster I have been using the most is the Wild Bill's because it positions the gun the lowest ,as Lou said His positions it a Little higher for an easier grip.
All these holsters are top of the line, on the Wild bill's I added a slide guard that is standard on Lou's and Spark's.
I believe Bill designed this holster for the P7-M8.
As far as wear on your gun ,you cannot stop it but you can minimize it by treating the inside of the holster with KG-9 or Leather Lightning, I think , I am not sure of the name of the product I think Lou knows. I use the KG-9.

Good luck

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