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Given the time and money can the Glock be built to compete with a 1911 full race gun (38super) in OPEN division

Any info would be appreciated?


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My belief would be that the 1911's crispy tuned trigger is the one advantage over a Glock that can't quite be overcome. Whether that's enough edge depends on many factors, including the nature of the match and the person pulling the trigger.
 

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There are guys out there that can be competitive.

Consider this though,,,,for what you'll spend in getting an open Glock up and running,,,,,you'll probably be in the vicinity of what you can get a good used open gun that was built on a 1911 platform.

I've ran the numbers and it comes out close enough to think about,,,,,,my opinion. Are you a member of USPSA? If so, check out the members classified section,,,,,some good deals out there.

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There are a couple of shops that are doing some really cool stuff with glocks to make them race in open division..with 9mm Major the G17 and G34 are viable to use as a base gun..

You can get a really nice ( for glock ) triggers, light ( around 2 pounds) short takeup and short reset..given the shooter..it could be done and you can compete...



http://www.custom-glock.com/pics.html
http://www.handgunneroutlet.net/gallery/OpenGlock1.htm
http://www.handgunneroutlet.net/profile ... GlockB.htm
http://www.handgunneroutlet.net/profile ... GlockC.htm
 

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There are good deals to be found if one looks and is not in a hurry for a used 1911. That was not the question though.

Yes, and if all you are talking about is a a good trigger, comped bbl, sights, and a magwell it will cost less by far than a used 1911.

38Super is to long to use in the small framed Glocks. Some opt for 9x21, 40 or going to the large framed Glocks/calibers.

The Glock can peform if the shooter can.

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I think the cost is closer than a lot of guys think,,,,,I know what the question was.... :D

A lot of guys,,,,and I was one of them, either did or thought long and hard about building open glocks. By the time I ran the numbers for what I wanted to build for just a smidge more, I could get a used STI, SVI, Or Caspian built by a known pistolsmith.

Say you get into a G17 used cheap...say $300.

Add about $275 or so for a comped factory barrel,,,,more if you want a custom comp.

Add about $75.00 or so for a optics mount,,,,$250 or so for a Cmore,,,,or just add what about $300 for a Docter.

$160.00 for about 4 basepads, and about $80.00 for 4 high caps if you don't already have them, $50.00 or so for a magwell. DIY trigger job/parts,,,,pretty cheap,,,,,, but if you have a named smith do it, you could spend up to $150.00 to $200 or so.

I didn't mention a caspian slide,,,,you can get started without, but in the long run that's what I would have wanted on my open Glock so that would have been a bit more money.

Above, you're looking at about $1,200 to $1,500 depending on if you have a smith do your trigger work, if you stick with the factory or go with an aftermarket slide eventually, and what you do with your comp.

Used Caspians come up on USPSA.org's classified sight with mags in that range above quite often. For a bit more you can get a used STI/SVI either from a factory or from a smith.

In the end,,,,,if you ever want to upgrade/sell, you'll get more of your money out of the 1911 platform.

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YES! is the simple answer. First, anyone who follows shooting sports has undoubtedly herd of Dave Sevingy, who has beat the likes of Rob Letham with his mostly stock Glock 34. That said the Glock can be customized to a high enough degree so as to compete with the 1911. I have a Glock 35 right now that has about a 2.5lb triggerpull while not a crisp as a comprable 1911 it is still very fast and I did it my self. Some other items to note about the glock vs the 1911. Most competition ready 1911s will cost around $2,000 or Considerably more without optics! A brand new Glock 35 will cost no more than $550 and the parts to work on glocks are way cheaper and if you are patient you can do most of the work yourself as opposed to the 1911 where you have to have a gunsmith do it.
 

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I don't see Sevigny winning ANY open class championships. Sevigny dominates the Stock Service Pistol or Production class but he is not winning any Open class championships last time I checked.
 

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Hmmm...

OK - Let's take a well known 1911 shooter - Robbie Leatham. Leatham shoots for Springfield, right? And Sevigny shoots for Glock, correct? Springfield has a Custom Shop that does very good work, and provides guns to their shooters to use, to include "Open Guns."

Does Glock have a "Custom Shop" that makes the equivalent of an "Open Gun?"

I don't think they do. So whose Open Gun would we expect Sevigny to use, since Glock is sponsoring him?
 

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That, I admit, is something I didn't know because I truly do not follow that game very closely. I just figured that the sponsored shooters used guns built by their sponsors. Any idea who built her gun?

And wasn't there some weird contention about guns used at the World Games this year? Something about the CZ vs. Sevigny's Glock?

Anyway, thanx for the info - I wasn't aware that Julie shoots an Open Glock.
 

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Chris Oslin said:
... Any idea who built her gun?
Julie Goloski took 2nd Lady Open at the 2005 World Speed Shooting Championship (Steel Challenge) shooting an Open Glock built by John Nagel of S & J Customs (aka Glock Jockey).

This was the final version of a design John has been perfecting for several years. After Julie shot the previous numbered gun she wanted to take it to the Steel Challenge -- John however decided to build her a new one which he did over a weekend (long weekend). Julie test fired it once then took it away to the competition.

John is now open for business with this final design and now has his components machine fabricated to his design instead of hand built.

Take a look at Julie's final prototype version and the new line of production open Glocks...

http://www.glockjockey.com/pictures/julieg/openpistol2.jpg
http://www.glockjockey.com/pictures/guns/OpenMajAL/Open_Major9_AL-A_900px.jpg


(Disclaimer - I design and manage the http://www.GlockJockey.com/ website)
 

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Brian D. said:
My belief would be that the 1911's crispy tuned trigger is the one advantage over a Glock that can't quite be overcome. Whether that's enough edge depends on many factors, including the nature of the match and the person pulling the trigger.
The trigger as well as the fact that Glock's are "top heavy" and 1911's are almost perfectly balanced. I would think the 1911 is the perfect gun.... of course, that's why I own four of them.
 

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I don't see Sevigny winning ANY open class championships. Sevigny dominates the Stock Service Pistol or Production class but he is not winning any Open class championships last time I checked.
Dave won the 2006 Winchester World Challenge, Open Division, shooting an Open Glock built by John Nagel of S & J Customs (aka Glock Jockey).

Check out the movie (requires QuickTime).

(Disclaimer: I am still webmaster for glockjockey.com)
 

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b8fish said:
6285108 said:
I don't see Sevigny winning ANY open class championships. Sevigny dominates the Stock Service Pistol or Production class but he is not winning any Open class championships last time I checked.
Dave won the 2006 Winchester World Challenge, Open Division, shooting an Open Glock built by John Nagel of S & J Customs (aka Glock Jockey).


Checked the results of the Winchester World Challenge and alot of the top names were missing

No Koenig, Jarrett, Leatham, Miculek, Racaza

Oh and I see Leatham won the 2006 USPSA Production Class Nationals shooting an XD...Sevigny finished 3rd

The OPEN class at the 2006 USPSA Nationals was once again dominated by 1911 users
 

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Dave Sevigny
first to win World Championship shooting an Open Glock 2006.

So yes it can be done and I am hoping to send mine off to glock jockey eventually, they have some great looking and working weapons. I do not see where it's going to be cheaper than a 1911 though, but I'm willing to pay more for something more unique and I just trust my glock to get the job done.
 
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