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Joe I had a tough time getting past the first sentence of that press release, because the word "reliable" was used in it.

Oh well if it had also used the word "durable" my head might have exploded, so guess I got off easy...

They've had this new offering on the drawing board for a long spell now, supposedly dealing with patent issues. Been wondering if there hasn't been some mechanical difficulty mixed up in there as well.
 

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LMFAO ! ! Ya know Brian, I was SHOCKED that this technological leap was made by a company like Charter Arms. While they are somewhat innovative (the ONLY 5 shot, snubby .44 Spl), they are NOT known for their quality, reliability, or durability--as evidenced by the responses to my query regarding these issues in an earlier on this forum. They must have a serious R&D investment in this new weapon, and I would think it would be in their best interest to build it as well as they could. They will have a ready market of LEOs and CCW civilians carryin' Glocks, etc who will want a same caliber BUG. It will all be for nought if the weapon gets a reputation as being junk. In any event it's gonna be interesting. S&W may jump in with a challenger, as they did to Taurus with their Governor. We'll just have to wait and see.......
 

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OKAY....But I can't see the ? need? for a 40 ?....Will it be smaller than the 44 special was /is ? How much fps is lost due to the shorter barrel ? What is the cost? My idea of the ideal ASS IN A BAD JAM firearm would be one of the Colt Model Ps or more than likely a clone , like Cimmaron....44Special or 45 Long Colt barrel cut to 2 in. or shorter and made into a slip gun...GrandPaw Bill Caldwell carried one , if He felt the slightest feelin trouble was comin it was in his hand, suit coat pocket , bibbed overalls or what ever He was wearin.....Charter Arms had better see all the ifs to this , because of this forum and others gun buyers are no longer dependent on WHORED gun rag writers that write what an editor wants written , as was stated , reliable , well made, so on , a winner , othwerwise???

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Thanks Joe...if I didn't already have more than I need ,.....I see nothin here nor there that would make Me want to stop carryin My Commander. But I would like to get My hands on one , If I had the feelin the little darlin was up to it I'd cut off 10 mm brass to the correct length and see if I could hopp it up some....Then find a way to carry it down around My ankle....a snubbie strapped to His ankle saved Richard Reel ,an old Pipeliner, an old friend ,from bein killed on the alaskan pipeline....Richard was ambushed by three cowards comein out of the cookshack just at dark , one hit Him in the head temporaily blindin Him in one eye , one either tore or cut his rear pocket off , his buck 110 went flyin...they rode him down keepin Him from gettin to His 45 commander....His words to Me a few years later was " Wild Bill , They forgot why I'm called Two Gun Richard Reel"....Two Gun was around 60 or over at the time

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OKAY....But I can't see the ? need? for a 40 ?....Will it be smaller than the 44 special was /is ? How much fps is lost due to the shorter barrel ? What is the cost? My idea of the ideal ASS IN A BAD JAM firearm would be one of the Colt Model Ps or more than likely a clone , like Cimmaron....44Special or 45 Long Colt barrel cut to 2 in. or shorter and made into a slip gun...GrandPaw Bill Caldwell carried one , if He felt the slightest feelin trouble was comin it was in his hand, suit coat pocket , bibbed overalls or what ever He was wearin.....Charter Arms had better see all the ifs to this , because of this forum and others gun buyers are no longer dependent on WHORED gun rag writers that write what an editor wants written , as was stated , reliable , well made, so on , a winner , othwerwise???

Wild Bill
I believe they're tryin' to cash in on the idea of a BUG to the LEOs that carry the Glock 23s--the most widely carried semi-auto allegedly. Other than that--there ain't no need. The 2nd rag writer above states they shoulda made them in 9mm--'cause there's a big void in the 9mm revolver lineup. WTF is he smokin' ? ? PERSONALLY, I can't think of a more useless weapon than a revo in 9mm---other than perhaps a revo in .380/9mm Kurtz. (I am DEFINITELY NOT a 9mm fan) The 2nd article gives a little insight into the mechanics of extraction. I wonder how trouble free that's going to be, given it's a Charter Arms. They have a "lifetime warranty" however. I won't be buyin' one so I'll never know first hand. I like Granpappy Caldwell's approach. Too bad S&W never made an 5 shot, N (or L if possible) frame snub in .44Spl. or.45Colt. I'd snap one up in a heartbeat......
 

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Thanks Joe...if I didn't already have more than I need ,.....I see nothin here nor there that would make Me want to stop carryin My Commander. But I would like to get My hands on one , If I had the feelin the little darlin was up to it I'd cut off 10 mm brass to the correct length and see if I could hopp it up some....Then find a way to carry it down around My ankle....a snubbie strapped to His ankle saved Richard Reel ,an old Pipeliner, an old friend ,from bein killed on the alaskan pipeline....Richard was ambushed by three cowards comein out of the cookshack just at dark , one hit Him in the head temporaily blindin Him in one eye , one either tore or cut his rear pocket off , his buck 110 went flyin...they rode him down keepin Him from gettin to His 45 commander....His words to Me a few years later was " Wild Bill , They forgot why I'm called Two Gun Richard Reel"....Two Gun was around 60 or over at the time

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DAMN COWARDS ! ! ! Ya can't tote too many weapons, Bill. A10mm would be interestin'. I never got into a serious relationship with any semi-auto other than a 1911 in .45ACP. 1911's and ARs in 9mm make me wanna puke. The 9mm has it's place in weapons that it was designed to shoot---BHPs, Lugers, Walthers, Broomhandles, etc. I've owned a few through the years--BUT NOT 'cause they shot the 9mm. It was the ONLY flavor they came in...
 

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... Charter Arms. While they are somewhat innovative (the ONLY 5 shot, snubby .44 Spl), ...
Rossi and Taurus have also made 5 shot .44 Spl. snubbies, albeit heavier ones. :eek:

Charter was the first though, by a wide margin. :D
 

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The 2nd rag writer above states they shoulda made them in 9mm--'cause there's a big void in the 9mm revolver lineup. WTF is he smokin' ? ? PERSONALLY, I can't think of a more useless weapon than a revo in 9mm---other than perhaps a revo in .380/9mm Kurtz. (I am DEFINITELY NOT a 9mm fan)
Ouch Joe, that stings me just a little bit. Got a satin nickel J-frame Airweight .38 special (S&W Model 37) that was just sitting in the safe rarely getting any holster or trigger time. Decided it would be way more handy if it shot 9mm out of moonclips rather than .38 specials using speedloaders for totin' extra ammo. Had my friendly local 'smith (and ex local PD armorer) get me a 9mm cylinder from Smith, for the Model 940 they used to make. Had to do a little fittin' up and I guess one could bitch about the snubby barrel being .001-.002" too big to stabilze 9mm bullets, but the thing shoots just as good with the 9mm as it ever did in .38 special.

I now call it a "Model 937" and it's NOT for sale, especially to YOU Joe, ya 9mm hater! :D

Supposedly S&W has made a few all steel J-frames for the .356 TSW and even .38 super rounds--Wild Bill I can hear you from way up here in the North, dunno if the ones in Super would hold up to your 9x23 hotrod ammo!

For me the point is the J-frame is an easy gun to tote even when you're taking out those too-full bags of trash to the curb. Just like mine being a little more user friendly is all.

For sure I'd take my Model 937 over anything Charter has come up with so far.
 

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Ouch Joe, that stings me just a little bit. Got a satin nickel J-frame Airweight .38 special (S&W Model 37) that was just sitting in the safe rarely getting any holster or trigger time. Decided it would be way more handy if it shot 9mm out of moonclips rather than .38 specials using speedloaders for totin' extra ammo. Had my friendly local 'smith (and ex local PD armorer) get me a 9mm cylinder from Smith, for the Model 940 they used to make. Had to do a little fittin' up and I guess one could bitch about the snubby barrel being .001-.002" too big to stabilze 9mm bullets, but the thing shoots just as good with the 9mm as it ever did in .38 special.

I now call it a "Model 937" and it's NOT for sale, especially to YOU Joe, ya 9mm hater! :D

Supposedly S&W has made a few all steel J-frames for the .356 TSW and even .38 super rounds--Wild Bill I can hear you from way up here in the North, dunno if the ones in Super would hold up to your 9x23 hotrod ammo!

For me the point is the J-frame is an easy gun to tote even when you're taking out those too-full bags of trash to the curb. Just like mine being a little more user friendly is all.

For sure I'd take my Model 937 over anything Charter has come up with so far.
LMFAO, you correctly ID'd me as a 9 mm hater. I respect anyone's choice of a weapon FOR THEM. This is America--their choice, their life. Protect it as they see fit. NOT my problem. I'd take your 937 over a CA, Taurus, or Rossi also. Plenty of people shoot nines, BUT it seems that they are rabid fans of a weapon that just happens to be chambered in that caliber (like the BHP), OR just looking for a cheap centerfire round to shoot. In over 50 yrs of shooting, I have NEVER heard someone proclaim that they are shooting 9mm because it's the BEST round for target shooting, hunting, self defense, home defense, etc. If you have made the choice to carry a 9mm (or forced to as an LEO due to dept policy) it makes perfect sense to carry a 9mm BUG. If a 9mm fan and a .45ACP fan like you and I can get along, WHY can't there be peace in the Middle East ? ?
 

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Hell Joe I make my own choices in the totin' gun realm. Split my time between .45acp 1911s and Browning Hi Powers in 9mm or .40 S&W. Unless I'm in big critter country, then it's a 10mm Glock. Like I say the J-frame revolver is a BUG-- or primary if I'm going no farther than the front curb.

Except for the 10mm stoked with bear medicine (maybe!) I consider all of the above to be less-than-likely to put an assailant down quick like the Hammer of Thor. Shot placement and the RDL Factor* will win or lose the day.

RDL = Randon Dumb Luck, which bullets sometimes seem to display performance-wise after even the best shot placement.
 

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I hope this is a start of a new trend or ideas to get semi auto bullets into revolvers.
It is a great idea Charter has here. I don't own any Charter weapons however. It may be a break-through in revolvers. :)
 
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