Dane, you ready for another S&W 940 9x23 conversion??
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Hello Dane,
Sent you an email while you were playing down south..got a 940 waiting to come to you for the 9x23 magic treatment also..This will be my #1.
I'm traveling to Portland area tomorrow, so I'll bring it with me, and try and give you a phone call. If my stars are aligned right, I hope to drop it off or I'll ship from there.
Oh..great forum site... :smile:
eerw (stuart)
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Sent you an email while you were playing down south..got a 940 waiting to come to you for the 9x23 magic treatment also..This will be my #1.
I'm traveling to Portland area tomorrow, so I'll bring it with me, and try and give you a phone call. If my stars are aligned right, I hope to drop it off or I'll ship from there.
Oh..great forum site... :smile:
eerw (stuart)
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Look Igor, I have created another monster... :grin:
Bruce did I tell you about the custom double City Slicker shoulder rig Ken Null made for my brace of 940s? Handy little rig, for certain occasions. Double the pleasure, double the fun.
DD
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Bruce did I tell you about the custom double City Slicker shoulder rig Ken Null made for my brace of 940s? Handy little rig, for certain occasions. Double the pleasure, double the fun.
DD
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A S&W 940 is a stainless five shot Centennial style (internal hammer) J-frame orginally chambered in 9mm. In a thread on the 1911Forum I mentioned I had two converted to 9x23 by Dane. It is a service he has never advertised, but about two years ago I noticed a 940 Performance Center (the stainless steel is blackened BTW) sitting next to a 9x23 1911 he had posed in one of his gallery photos and the light bulb came on.
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Burns Custom Pistols Colt 1991A1 and S&W 940PC both chambered in 9x23
I thought WOW, a J-frame in 9x23 would be the perfect companion for the fullhouse 1911 in 9x23 I had just commissioned. So, asked Dane about the possibility of having a 9x23 J-frame. He then told me that was in fact what I was looking at. He agreed to do the conversion work for me, so I then proceeded to hunt down two 940s and send them off to Dane's shop.
The 940 was a 9mm version of the 640 that was built for the .357 Magnum. I have never much cared for 2" .357s, but the 9x23 in the same gun works better. Less noise and muzzle flash. If my unproven pet theory is correct, then we are seeing more muzzle velocity from the same 124/125gr. bullets from 9x23 brass in a 2" revo. The idea being the shorter brass holds faster burning powder, that burns more completely in a short tube than do loads for .357 Magnum, which normally need at least 4" of tube to burn all their powder. I have observed less flash and kick with the 940 in 9x23 then I did with my old 640 shooting 125s. The chrono work need to be done to confirm my theory.
If I am right, then this is the most useable power to be had in a J-frame package. All that aside, my primary motivation was ammo compatability between my primary and back-up guns. I think this makes a great combo. BTW, the same 940 can shoot 9mm, 9mm Largo, .356 TSW and .38 Super, which opens up some other options as well. It uses moonclips BTW.
DD
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Burns Custom Pistols Colt 1991A1 and S&W 940PC both chambered in 9x23
I thought WOW, a J-frame in 9x23 would be the perfect companion for the fullhouse 1911 in 9x23 I had just commissioned. So, asked Dane about the possibility of having a 9x23 J-frame. He then told me that was in fact what I was looking at. He agreed to do the conversion work for me, so I then proceeded to hunt down two 940s and send them off to Dane's shop.
The 940 was a 9mm version of the 640 that was built for the .357 Magnum. I have never much cared for 2" .357s, but the 9x23 in the same gun works better. Less noise and muzzle flash. If my unproven pet theory is correct, then we are seeing more muzzle velocity from the same 124/125gr. bullets from 9x23 brass in a 2" revo. The idea being the shorter brass holds faster burning powder, that burns more completely in a short tube than do loads for .357 Magnum, which normally need at least 4" of tube to burn all their powder. I have observed less flash and kick with the 940 in 9x23 then I did with my old 640 shooting 125s. The chrono work need to be done to confirm my theory.
If I am right, then this is the most useable power to be had in a J-frame package. All that aside, my primary motivation was ammo compatability between my primary and back-up guns. I think this makes a great combo. BTW, the same 940 can shoot 9mm, 9mm Largo, .356 TSW and .38 Super, which opens up some other options as well. It uses moonclips BTW.
DD
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DD, I would love to see some pics of the rig. Sounds like the perfect thing to wear to court :grin:
Ammo compatibility is exactly why I like the 940 as done by Dane, but make no mistake, these puppies are excellent stand alone weapons when pushing the 9x23 out the snout. Prefer them to my S&W Model 66's, in about every respect.
Now, DD, we need to convince Lou that some moon clip carriers are a worthwhile little project :smile:
Ammo compatibility is exactly why I like the 940 as done by Dane, but make no mistake, these puppies are excellent stand alone weapons when pushing the 9x23 out the snout. Prefer them to my S&W Model 66's, in about every respect.
Now, DD, we need to convince Lou that some moon clip carriers are a worthwhile little project :smile:
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Bruce,
I also like the Kramer Confidant shirt holster for deep cover with a J-frame Centennial. You can wear a shirt and tie and still be still be able to take the jacket off. Handy when you look distintcly out of place with a coat on -- like when it gets above 115 degrees. :grin: To acces the revo, just leave the middle button undone and the tie hides that fact. I sometimes will carry my seven shot S&W 242 instead, loaded with +P .38 ammo in the Kramer shirt. It is a bigger revo, but a lot lighter. Bottom feeders don't work well with that shirt BTW.
For back-up ammo, I carry two moonclips together in an old prescription bottle. There is a perfect sized one. Just use the child proof lid. :wink: The whole things can in turn be put in a Kydex SureFire carrier, or just carried in a convienent pocket.
DD
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I also like the Kramer Confidant shirt holster for deep cover with a J-frame Centennial. You can wear a shirt and tie and still be still be able to take the jacket off. Handy when you look distintcly out of place with a coat on -- like when it gets above 115 degrees. :grin: To acces the revo, just leave the middle button undone and the tie hides that fact. I sometimes will carry my seven shot S&W 242 instead, loaded with +P .38 ammo in the Kramer shirt. It is a bigger revo, but a lot lighter. Bottom feeders don't work well with that shirt BTW.
For back-up ammo, I carry two moonclips together in an old prescription bottle. There is a perfect sized one. Just use the child proof lid. :wink: The whole things can in turn be put in a Kydex SureFire carrier, or just carried in a convienent pocket.
DD
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Credit for the prescription bottle idea rightly goes to ribbonstone from GunSpot. I got my supply of clips from S&W, but look in our For Sale forum, as I listed a good source and Paten did as well. Look here.
DD
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Gentlemen,
I am a little jammed getting a gun to Heinie's Single Stack match and a few guns out before the 5 day class in Memphis, all at the end of the month. Be happy to solve your J frame delimas after May 1st.
Thank you for the support!
I am a little jammed getting a gun to Heinie's Single Stack match and a few guns out before the 5 day class in Memphis, all at the end of the month. Be happy to solve your J frame delimas after May 1st.
Thank you for the support!
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Dane, any thoughts about the SP101 in 9mm? I can get those fairly cheap(relative to 940's) and I like them better as beater guns anyways. Sempre Fidelis..Ken M
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Since .38 super has a slight rim to it, is there anyway to make one without moon clips?
(or, like the 627's, capable of moon clipping, but not required?)
So, this 9X23 fires .38 super through it?
Hmm, I got a LW Commander in .38 super, might need a friend...
but, how much are these things? (once I found that freaking gun)
(or, like the 627's, capable of moon clipping, but not required?)
So, this 9X23 fires .38 super through it?
Hmm, I got a LW Commander in .38 super, might need a friend...
but, how much are these things? (once I found that freaking gun)
G
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·Alright DD,
Quit holding out and show the pics of the Null rig. Ken makes great leather and sitting for one of his lectures is easy when you get to leave with some great holsters (did I say that?).
Seriously the 940 concept in 9x23 is very cool I'm searching for one now as I type this.
Quit holding out and show the pics of the Null rig. Ken makes great leather and sitting for one of his lectures is easy when you get to leave with some great holsters (did I say that?).
Seriously the 940 concept in 9x23 is very cool I'm searching for one now as I type this.
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David,
I looked for the pic this morning, but couldn't find it. Either it is on my laptop, or it is lost to the hard drive crash on this box. I am without a digital camera now, so I am afraid this image from Ken's web site will have to do for now.
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Ken Null City Slicker
BTW, Ken told me carries a 940 converted for .38 Super that he shoots +P Supers with.
DD
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I looked for the pic this morning, but couldn't find it. Either it is on my laptop, or it is lost to the hard drive crash on this box. I am without a digital camera now, so I am afraid this image from Ken's web site will have to do for now.
Ken Null City Slicker
BTW, Ken told me carries a 940 converted for .38 Super that he shoots +P Supers with.
DD
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VN,
Sorry I overlooked your question. The answer is YES. :smile: You can definitely fire .38 Super in a 940 converted to chamber the round. You can have it chambered for 9x23 and shoot .38 Super just fine. The 940, like the 627, can fire without the moonclips in place. However, just like the 627 I own, I would only carry it for defense with moonclipped ammo. Mainly this is to insure the best possible primer ignition. It will work either way, but I choose not to conceed that extra edge of reliability.
As for finding a 940, you may have several other forumites ahead of you turning over rocks. Most 940s can be had for $300 to $400, depending on availability. A lot of owners don't understand the potential these revos have, so many think a 9mm 5-shot is obsolete. Hopefully you can find such a party.
DD
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Sorry I overlooked your question. The answer is YES. :smile: You can definitely fire .38 Super in a 940 converted to chamber the round. You can have it chambered for 9x23 and shoot .38 Super just fine. The 940, like the 627, can fire without the moonclips in place. However, just like the 627 I own, I would only carry it for defense with moonclipped ammo. Mainly this is to insure the best possible primer ignition. It will work either way, but I choose not to conceed that extra edge of reliability.
As for finding a 940, you may have several other forumites ahead of you turning over rocks. Most 940s can be had for $300 to $400, depending on availability. A lot of owners don't understand the potential these revos have, so many think a 9mm 5-shot is obsolete. Hopefully you can find such a party.
DD
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Well, a 5 shot 9mm revolver IS obsolete, but one in .38 super....
Thats a whole other thing all togethor :smile:
I work at a dealer, but haven't seen any in a while. Any idea how much the conversion runs though?
Thanks for the help.
(well, since I already have a few other things on the burner, I guess filling my head with another project isn't really help, but, thanks anyway :smile:
Thats a whole other thing all togethor :smile:
I work at a dealer, but haven't seen any in a while. Any idea how much the conversion runs though?
Thanks for the help.
(well, since I already have a few other things on the burner, I guess filling my head with another project isn't really help, but, thanks anyway :smile:
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VN,
Always glad to provide the help and a inspiration for others to spend their money. That way we can all wallow in our misery together. :lol:
Dane charges $100 to do the conversion. He is jammed now, but in May he has said he will be open to doing such work. That should give you plenty of time to find a 940. :wink: If you work in a gun shop, then you may have better luck than the others searching for one. PD trades in may turn a few up.
DD
Always glad to provide the help and a inspiration for others to spend their money. That way we can all wallow in our misery together. :lol:
Dane charges $100 to do the conversion. He is jammed now, but in May he has said he will be open to doing such work. That should give you plenty of time to find a 940. :wink: If you work in a gun shop, then you may have better luck than the others searching for one. PD trades in may turn a few up.
DD
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Anyone else get a 940 converted to 9x23 yet?
DD
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