EAA Witness or CZ75....9x23?

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gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · Apr 14, 2001

Does anyone know if this can be done successfully for a reasonable sum?
I handled a new EAA in 45ACP and 40S&W today...The 40 felt great, it was tight and smooth and had the two-tone finish whatever they call it...There was such a bad feel to the 45 I put it down immediately...The 40 actually felt...well...good!
That's weird,I know, but it did and if they'd had one set up the same, with that "feel" in 10mm, I'd have it on top of my scanner right now...
Just wondered if the 9x23 would work without having to re-engineer the whole pistol...
I think I'll buy one in 10mm anyhow.
The CZ popped in my mind at the same time. Anyone got the scoop on that?

:wink:

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38 Super Combat Commander

· #2 · Apr 14, 2001

The next pistol that I`m going to get is going to be a EAA Witness 10mm.

gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 14, 2001

Why?
I know why I'm attracted, but what do you like about them?
:wink:

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viesczy

· #4 · Apr 19, 2001

I have an EAA Witness that was originally a .38 S and I had another barrel reamed out to the correct dimensions of the 9x23.

The gun is a hefty, holds 18 rounds in the mag and that adds even more heft.

I have had an occassionaly failure to extract malf in 9x23, but that mag bind problem that I would get from the .38 S has disappeared. The pistol has proven to be nicely accurate in both calibers.

Dane has advised me that the Witness is not tough enough for the 9x23. I believe it was a slide stop or a barrel weakness. As of yet (about 500-700 rounds of both Winchester loads) I have had no problems and to tell the truth I am not worried about any potential gun failures. I figure at 290 for the pistol and a total of like 300 into the pistol, it is just a beater to be BEATEN!

I have actually gotten fairly hot #s from the CorBon 115gr and 125gr .38 S jhps. 1460fps for the 115gr and 125gr was at 1420fps if memory serves me correctly. . .

Derek

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gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 19, 2001

Thanks! Could you tell me where they are available? I saw a 45, 40s&w, and a 9mm...The 40 actually felt great but the 45 was too bulky...I'm actually hoping to find a 10mm...I wouldn't miss the 9x23 if I could locate one of those...weeelll...maybe a little!

Thanks again...

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viesczy

· #6 · Apr 21, 2001

I had seen the .38 S in a CDNN catalog back in '96 and scarfed it up. I have seen one on gunbroker.com a few weeks ago, but none as of lately.

I know that they (EAA) have caliber conversions for their pistols. So if you can't find a .38 S, in theory this is mind you, you could buy a .45acp/10mm and use a .38 S conversion. In theory that is! If it is a true, I dunno.

Derek

Ed Ely

· #7 · Apr 22, 2001

Yep, the caliber converts can be had at Brownells. My EAA Witness Tanfaglio in .45ACP hasn't missed a stroke and when I carry it to IDPA, it smokes 'um. It lays them where you place them at POA. It is my best .45 shooter, not saying a whole lot, but it beats out two of my Stars and an HK USPc.

Ed

gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #8 · Apr 22, 2001

Yup...that's what I've heard...I really liked the way that one in 40s&w felt...Just don't care for the caliber...Now...a 10mm...that's a lil' more like it. If it has that same size or feel to it, I'm sold! I'd even take a 9mm. BTW...Is your Witness a 45/10 convertible?

Thanks

Ed Ely

· #9 · Apr 22, 2001

Gyp......Yes to answer your question on the .45/10mm portion. As you know, the Witness is a knock off of the CZ. The Witness is a full size piece and it is big compared to what is on the market today (you know, the plastic stuff). It can be carried concealed, but damn, you might need suspenders to help. It can get expensive by having the ability to convert back and forth to the .45 vs 10mm. I think the 10mm conversion was about $240.00, and then the cost of the 10mm mags (they are getting scarce), then the ammo thing. Debates can go on for years however about the calibers. Some guns of the same caliber shoot better than others, kick in the different ammo, put the size of the person in the equation, the size of their hands, it all boils down to what suits the individual. Hope you make the choice that suits you and then shoot the barrel out of it.

Ed

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gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #10 · Apr 22, 2001

Thanks...I'll find one...There's 1911s to be bought or made too :wink:

Jeremiah Vaughan

· #11 · Apr 26, 2001

I'm thinking of getting a .38 Super conversion kit for my .45 witness-p. Does anyone know if i can use my same magazines or do i have to get .38 S mags? IF so are hi-caps available?

gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 27, 2001

I was curious, so I did a google search and found this...May be a bit "racy" for some of us...

http://www.eaacorp.com/
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gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #13 · May 8, 2001

Uh-Oh...saw somethin' different...It's a 9mm/41AE.

Does anyone have any experience with this flavor?

Thanks...:wink:

Tom Freeman

· #14 · May 8, 2001

41 AE. Hmmm. Does the term POS mean anything to you?

Tom Freeman
AF Shooting Team

gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 9, 2001

Hey...I know and "love" that term...Is it the pistol or the cartridge that you're "posing"?

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Tom Freeman

· #16 · May 9, 2001

The caliber 41 AE. Kinda like the 45 Win Mag. Why? Just to be different I guess.

Tom

eerw

· #17 · May 9, 2001

why exactly..I think more trouble to get it to run..
but a bit of my made up history..
round existed before 10mm and the 40..so a bigger bullet between the 9mm and 45acp.. also because of teh rebated rim you could convert a 9mm gun by swapping barrel and mags...however. very difficult to get the slide to strip the round off the mag because of the rebated rim...

I'd rather go the the other way..10mm/40 and fit a .357 sig barrel.but I won't..

gyp_c2

Discussion Starter · #18 · May 10, 2001

I guess that's why it's packaged this way...Two barrels, two magazines, The 41AE is the same size rim as the 9mm I think...So...it'd work for the same size rimmed cartridge...9mm of different flavors?

What about the pistol itself?

RLA222

· #19 · Oct 25, 2001

OK I kinda came in in the middle here, are you aware that the combo's are for two different frame sizes? The 45/10mm IS the large (bulky) frame and the 9mm/40s&w is the real nice fitting frame.(the one that I like)And never the twain shall meet! I dunno maybe I'm just being a buttinowsky! Just tring to help. Thanksbye!

Larry Pomykalski

· #20 · Feb 14, 2003

That's true...
The 10MM will be the same size frame as the .45 you tried (and apparently didn't like.) The 9x23, due to its length, would also have to be built on that frame.

Keeps me from owning one, too!

Larry

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