[Jim Higginbotham]

Well gang, I got in some Federal +P Expanding FMJ and, while I have not had time to do a thorough test we did an informal initial shooting at the range Sat.

Lacking proper medium we just set up a gallon jug in front of several pieces of wood. Some will like the results some will not.

The 200 gr. +P .45 (havene't chronoed this yet) penetrated the jug, expanded fully to about .80" and put a hefty dent in the first board (a treated 1X6). The +P 124 gr. 9mm was almost identical with only slightly less indentation on the same board. It expanded to about .55 (sorry don't have it here I gave it and some test rounds to a Colonel who was there and who was very in checking into this stuff.

By comparison, A .45 230 gr. +P Ranger Talon went through the jug, two of the boards and stuck in a 2X4 (didn't dig it out but it expanded). Personally, I am sticking with the Talon, but there may be merit for the other in locales that have restrictions or complications on JHPs (The People's Republic of New Jersey comes to mind)

More later but I have to prepare for a 5-day course.

Carry on!
Jim Higginbotham
"The Will to Win is Nothing, Without the Will to Prepare"

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello and thanks for the information on the EFMJ stuff, Mr. Higgenbotham. I appreciate it.

Best.

 

[Guest]

Jim,
I am very interested in reading/hearing more info on this ammo line. I often travel to countries that will not allow either a millitary caliber or expanding ammo.
I have relied on MagSafe Fast Hardball in 10mm for the last several years. As you know Joe sold the company and the new owner is no longer producing the ammo, for reasons related to its penetration capabilities.
Please keep the info coming.

 

[Blackjack]

There is quite a bit of info on this round at:

http://www.ammoman.com

He stocks it, look under .45 ACP.

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[Guest]

Blackjack,
Thanks for the update, I really need to start using the search engines.

 

[jcork]

Interesting article there. It seems a different direction in bullet design from the usual.

I've seen Black Talon expand and make pretty sharp little knives, but this EFMJ seems to make a blunt profile.

It will be interesting to see if anyone can compile shooting stats that realistically compare the two.

 

[gyp_c2]

Apples and oranges...:wink:

 

[Guest]

Jim,
I just recieved a supply of 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45ACP EFMJ rounds from Eric (ammoman)and I plan to test them shortly, I really like the concept and I am anxious to see how they perform. I would tend to believe they should be very effective against barriers, it is my understanding that the design should eliminate "clogged" HP cavities.

Alright, let's all petition Federal for a 9x23 version.....

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Thanks,
David

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[Blackjack]

David

I look forward to your report on the new Federal EFMJ as I`m sure it will be accurate as well as unbiased.

If the .45 round can indeed penetrate 12" while expanding to .80 it is a revolution in bullet design IMHO.