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Replies to the last quip from students and colleagues:

"Cut-down and full-size magazines don't mix! If a speed reload is done under stress, and the slide is locked open, the magazine will over travel every time."

"True with the Colt Officer model too. On an enthusiastic reload, you can drive them so far up that you will need four hands and pliers to free the magazine."

"The same thing happens with Glocks."

"A BIG problem using full-size magazines in small-frame pistols will occur when reloading from slide lock. If the magazine is inserted smartly, it will go too high and bend a long ejector upwards, LOCKING the slide to the rear. The problem can go as far as breaking off the ejector."

"The same thing occurs when a S&W 5906 magazine is used in a Marlin Camp 9."

"The problem can be mitigated by reloading only with the slide or bolt closed, but of course that's not a realistic option under stress."

"Wilson sells a +1 magazine for compacts that has a stop designed to prevent over insertion. In hundreds of reloads I've had no problems."

"The mini-1911 in 45ACP was a gun invented to fill a ‘need' that doesn't exist."

"I often observe the reverse problem. Students try reload a full-sized 1911 with a magazine designed for a mini and end up chambering thin air. All the tap-racks in the world don't help!"

"Glock 26/27/33 magazines are all too short to manipulate with any degree of certainty under stress. I found that I constantly bobbled my reloads with the G26 magazines. Consequently, I've gone back to a Glock 19."

"The 1911 is called the 1911 because it was designed in 1911. It was fine then, and if you are almost one hundred years old yourself, it's probably still fine for you. Carry it while you are driving your Model T Ford. If, however, you are involved in the business of protecting yourself, get a modern firearm and get serious."

Sage advice. Every path has its flaws. We need to be serious about our craft and avoid situations and equipment that fairly invites disaster.

/John

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"The mini-1911 in 45ACP was a gun invented to fill a ‘need' that doesn't exist."
While there are a lot of guns on the market that
qualify as solutions looking for a need, the smaller
1911's are not among them. The pistol's butt is the
hardest part to hide. Shortening it, even at the cost
one round, is very helpful for many users.

The Detonics pistols went too far in shortening the
butt, compromising controlability...but the Officers
ACP-sized pistols are easy to handle and hide. While
I would opine that Colt should have put a Commander
top-end on these, they got the butt RIGHT.

As to the magazine overseating problem; it is a real
concern. We found this out, early on, in the Paladin
Program (the old-fashioned way...by doing it. Better
to do it on the range than on the street). Rick Miller
has mentioned this in print a couple times, however
we still see people who try to use Govt Model length
mags in their Officers. Mags aren't that expensive,
just buy some proper ones.

Rosco
 

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Desert Dog,

So is Farnam saying the 1911 is outdated? If so, he has a right to his wrong opinion. If that is the case most "modern firearms" are outdated also since a lot of the makeup of their systems can be traced back quite a few years......Thanks for the posting.
 

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On 2001-05-03 16:08, G. Kennedy wrote:
Desert Dog,

So is Farnam saying the 1911 is outdated? If so, he has a right to his wrong opinion. If that is the case most "modern firearms" are outdated also since a lot of the makeup of their systems can be traced back quite a few years......Thanks for the posting.
I too am clueless as to what his ( Farnam`s ) thrust is, don`t use the wrong Mags in the wrong Guns ??

The 1911 is too old a design to be any good ? That is simply silly....
 

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Farnam carries a Glock, right? There's nothing particularly new about Glock, as the most recent innovation it incorporates (the polymer frame) was developed in the '70s. The trigger system is copied off a design from around the turn of the previous century.
 

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It's out of context...There was something else said by his students? or someone anyway, and this is the answer...Sounds like he's warning against caarying your back-up magazines with your main guns' magazines...Officers and Government 45acps' for instance...

Just a hunch...Don't go killin' the messenger...:wink:
 

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Just to clarify: I understand what he was talking about with the magazines. Use full length mags in the same type gun with a compact frame and you're asking for problems with reliability. Unless you get some that have a stop to prevent overinsertion...

I was merely commenting about what he said concerning 1911's being outdated.....
 

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Yeah...I was kinda' tryin' to avoid dealin' with that...

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Hello. I agree with the magazine concept, but have no problem whatsoever in using a reliable 1911 for protection. Outdated? Doesn't Cooper mention that a claw hammer and an anvil have changed little over time; we still use both. I have no problem with anyone expressing their opinions, likes, and dislikes, but I have no problem with the grand old 1911 being an excellent defensive piece. Neither does LA SWAT or the FBI HRT. Any who know me know that I favor the 9mm HP over all else, but even I have enough experience with my 1911s to know that they would be very, very good handguns in a lethal force situation.

Have mercy!

Best to all.
 
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