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I've been trying to pick a carry gun based on the type of action that I could probably get off the fastest first two shots, both on target. It seems like the 1911, with the fine trigger you can have, would be the clear choice. Or are there other action types every bit as good as the 1911 for this? If it's the 1911, is a full-size steel gun way better that a steel compact? Like the two Wilson CQBs, for example. Thanks L
 

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Getting rounds on target fast is more a function of the shooter, than the choice of weapon. The 1911 does have a better trigger than most (all?), but this is not the complete answer to fast accurate shooting. You play a bigger role than the gun, in that capacity.

As for size choice, that depends on your intended use and/or carry method. Handle and shoot different sizes if possible. All my currently owned 1911's are Commander size (4 1/4" barrel). They simply feel right for me, and I can make them do what I want them to, better than a full size, or a compact.
 

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As an engineer, I can drive people half mad with a methodical focus on hardware - which was my first approach to choosing a carry gun - "which action?" I just got a CW permit here in California, which is not easy. If I have trouble, it will be robbery, on the street, in a bad area, me in a suit or nice jacket. From much lurking, I recognize the expertise available on this forum, and want to ask a few questions: My gun experience totals about 5,000 rounds fired in 1911s, Glocks and good revolvers - but never with a serious need to get really good. About the best I can consistently do is to bring the (full size) gun up and put two holes in a half-sheet at 15 feet in about three seconds. Only 8 feet with a 442. So, I know I need to go for training. But the question is, with which gun? How do I decide this? And where should I get the training? (If I had to choose on the spot, I would say Wilson 4" CQB, and Gunsite.) Would appreciate any advice. L
 
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Wilson CQB and Gunsite for training are an excellent combination.
As to "fast" action types, three to try:
HK P7
1911 S/a
Glock Safe action.
 

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I have another question that I'm not qualified to evaluate. As I said, my problem would be armed robbery, probably on the street in a bad area, where a couple BGs sweep in fast. I would be carrying a briefcase in the left hand. What if my right hand was on a 12-ounce hammerless J-frame in a pocket. If I'm grabbed on the right side I could have a second 12-ounce hammerless J-frame on the other side, somewhere, somehow. Since the fight would be close-up, J-frame accuracy and energy might do. 10 shot potential. Two guns. My question is: can a good defensive system be set up using TWO J-frames somehow? (If they just snatched the briefcase with no threat to me, I'd let them go.) Thanks. L
 

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A single J frame is a good weapon, two would even be better to avoid a reload. I wouldn't feel disarmed.

FWIW I have "killed" many role players armed with state of the art semiautos during simunitions training with a lowly J frame hidden in my hand.

Given the option I would choose a j frame amn ytimes over a full size gun if stealth was my primary objective so I could get in close and make the most of the 38 special round.
 

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Ayoob has discussed in various writings how the double action shots tend to be less accurate than single action in stress situation and for guns that start double action and then continue with single action, the first shot tends to be the worst because of the double action.

Something to consider. If you regularly carry a brief case, get a level II ballist panel put in it. For a lot of brief cases, such a panel could simply be slipped into the last slot of the accordian pocket in the top half of the brief case with no major modifications to the case itself. In that way, your briefcase can be used as a shield against handgun rounds without weighing a ton.
 
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On 2001-07-22 13:33, Ludwig wrote:
As I said, my problem would be armed robbery, probably on the street in a bad area, where a couple BGs sweep in fast. I would be carrying a briefcase in the left hand. What if my right hand was on a 12-ounce hammerless J-frame in a pocket. If I'm grabbed on the right side I could have a second 12-ounce hammerless J-frame on the other side, somewhere, somehow.
First, if you are already anticipating this I believe that both you and the briefcase have no business being in this area.
If you insist on being there do not carry the briefcase, go with a nap sack or other item that will "fit" into the area.
If the case is a must change it's appearance even temporarily.

I have worked escort duty on several jewlery deliveries with over $400k in jewels with us and the first thing we do is lose all of the business attire, no cases, no suits, no watches, no shave and more than a few times I have made my clients throw on spandex and ride a mountain bike (street couriers).

If you must carry the case fit it to a pizza box, throw on a wind breaker over your shirt/tie and tuck the gun into your newspaper, carried on top of the box.

In this scenario the gun type is unimportant, it only needs to accomplish one thing.
To be in your hand and concealed before you need it.

Two guns.
If you train with two (or more) and can use them effectively, two guns are always better than one at close range.
If the distance opens and space is available you need to vacate, quickly.

(If they just snatched the briefcase with no threat to me, I'd let them go.) Thanks. L
If they take only the case and let you go, you will be lucky and need to find a new place to be, very quickly.
One point to remeber they are in control at the moment of contact, you now only control your person, they control the environment.
 

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Thanks. Good advice. I'll work out some ways to cut the number of times I need to go there, and I'll figure out some different clothes. Meanwhile, I'm going to the range to remind myself how easy it is to miss with an Airweight snub...but have not given up on the two J-Frame idea yet. Appreciate the input. L
 
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