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Had an really crappy day doing tac drills and quals. My G-22 had about 5 failure to extracts and 2 failure to feeds. On the failure to extract, the spent came out about 1/3 and remained partially in the chamber. The slide then pushed the round in the mag into the bottom of the spent casing. It was not consistant, and happened on various rounds in the magazine. The failure to feed appeared to hang up on the ramp or the casing on the lip of the mag. Slamming the back of the slide did not force it into battery. I have about 4-5K through the gun, and have not broken the slide down...yet. The ammo was CCI Lawman and Ranger FMJ. The mags show wear as expected but nothing unusual. The extractor and ejector appear to be okay. No chips or dings. This gun has no mods except the Glock extended slide release and a Surefire 6v light (old style trigger housing clamp). I figure it may have been a mag problem because when the mags went to other guns, the failure to feeds showed up. A good guy at the shop suggested it may be the springs in the mags. The spring tension seems to be okay. This bad boy stays loaded and ready to rock. Would this cause the extraction problems I saw. I need to get this puppy up and running asap. Anyone run into a similar problem? No one is spooled up around here to really dissect the gun and the problem. My agency is into SW and Glocks are optional. Need some ideas to get a move on.

Lil' help...

Mahalo :grin:

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Check your magazines again. The original non-drop free mags and the first generation drop free style did not have a metal lining all the way up to the top of the lip. After some use, the top front of these mags starts to peen outward, allowing the nose of the top bullet or front of the follower to ride higher than it should. This can cause all kinds of malfunction problems; mostly usually the slide locking opened after every shot with a still loaded mag. Glock corrected the problem when they introduced the guns with finger-grooves and rails, by running the metal lining all the way up to the top front edge of the mag lip. Since your gun doesn't have the rails, it's safe to assume you have the older style mags. Check to see if the front edge is beginning to roll outward. My 35-officer agency has issued the Glock 22 since Dec 1990, and aside from some ammo problems early on (that I addressed on another post); most other malfunctions have been atributed to these mags.
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"I figure it may have been a mag problem because when the mags went to other guns, the failure to feeds showed up. "

Sounds like a very good place to start.

Did you try different mags or just kept using the one mag? Try a couple different mags.

I had a mag that started giving me all kinds of fits right after changing powder and bullet style/wt.

Bottom line is I spent a few sessions at the range and reloading bench trying differnet charges and OAL when all it was a mag. I finally noticed I was only having problems with one of three mags. Now all my mags are marked and If I have a problem I stick that mag in my pocket after noteing the number and start there.


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I would replace the mags, or the mag springs at least, and give it a thorough cleaning and lubing. Glocks do need preventative maintenance :grin: .
 
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I would replace the followers in the troublesome mags, the old style followers do not have the angled slide release cutout that your newer Glock extended slide release uses, the old mags should have a rounded cutout tab.
While replacing the followers drop in some Wolff 10%xp mag springs for good measure.
 

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Thanks all! I just went ahead to buy new highcaps today. Its an expensive fix, but I need to be up and running. Have to get to the range to take a test drive and see if thats all.

Mark, thanks for the advice. I have the newer gun, but the mag lining does not go up to the top like on my 45 Glocks. I also just noticed that one of the mags has the lower lip rolling outward as discussed. My light is the old school. Dont like the new style much, and not may holsters made for that set up either.

David, are the 10% xtra strength springs a good idea in new mags? Will they add a degree of reliability? Sometimes with things get heavy, you need all you can get.

I have to start shooting this puppy soon to regain my confidence in this set up. It was really shaken the other day. Actually, shaken is not the word. Shattered would better describe the feeling. Im not sure how may rounds it'll take. Better get started soon.

Aloha guys, and be safe!
 

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I have always found that the weak link in any Glock is in the mags, but more the springs than anything else.

True, the lips on the old mags will roll out, but I have been fortunate in that regard, as I have some original @1988 G-17 mags that still work great - with new springs.

My G-21 had feeding problems some years back, and I actually had nightmares about it failing, as it was my duty gun. I found out that it only jammed up with the old style, truncated Hydra-shok 230 gr ammo. All other ammo we had worked, but the Federal was the new issue at the time for duty carry. When Federal finally changed the bullet to a rounded shoulder, the gun ran flawlessly.

Shooting about a case through it without a hitch made me regain my confidence in it.

Let us know what happens.
 

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On 2001-10-26 23:49, Chris Oslin wrote:



My G-21 had feeding problems some years back,.... I found out that it only jammed up with the old style, truncated Hydra-shok 230 gr ammo. All other ammo we had worked, ........ When Federal finally changed the bullet to a rounded shoulder, the gun ran flawlessly.
Interesting! Had a G30 that would not reliabily feed any trunc. cone profile, HP or not. It's long gone!
 

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Chris,

Funny you should mention truncated cone. Thats pretty much the profile of the stuff I was feeding my gun. both the CCI Lawman and Ranger are TC shaped rounds. I have not had problems with my G-21 feeding Gold Dots., Nor for that matter have I had any feed problems with Gold Dot .40. That Lawman stuff feeds fine through my 23 and 27 though. Im trying to deal with that annoying rattle from my G-21 mags. Did you have that problem too? Thanks for the heads up! I'll keep you posted on the outcome. My freindly copshop guy is sending my old mags back to Glock to see if there is a problem. He had heard about the lip rollover too. Its the first problem he has come across like that. Then again, I do pound a couple more rounds through my work gun than your average badge.

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When I had trouble with my Glock mags I contacted Glock and told them about it and being an LEO. They said to send the magazines to them and they replaced the springs and followers. After that the mags worked great. They were the old style mags.
 

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On 2001-10-27 05:39, In2Deep wrote:
Chris,

Funny you should mention truncated cone. Thats pretty much the profile of the stuff I was feeding my gun. both the CCI Lawman and Ranger are TC shaped rounds. I have not had problems with my G-21 feeding Gold Dots., Nor for that matter have I had any feed problems with Gold Dot .40. That Lawman stuff feeds fine through my 23 and 27 though. Im trying to deal with that annoying rattle from my G-21 mags. Did you have that problem too? ... Then again, I do pound a couple more rounds through my work gun than your average badge.

Aloha :grin:
Actually, I have never heard the G-21 mags rattle, and my G-30 has fed everything I ever fed it. Really odd.

My G-19 and 17 will feed anything, to include all the truncated frangible ammo we have been training with, of late.

I, too, tend to have alittle more trigger time than my fellow employees, but that is by choice!

Like I tell ShootingBuff - get rid of those darn inaccurate .40's! :grin:

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I also have use Wolff +10 springs when changing springs. They work well even on my +5 base plates.

As far as 40s not shooting straight; all I have to say is a friend shot at some steel with one of my 40s, that most would have went for a rifle to shoot. Now nearly every time this joker pulled the trigger the steel sung out with hits.

Yep most folks would have went for a rifle, but my friend just kept nailing that steel.

Yes part of it could have been the trigger puller. Yet even a great trigger puller can not make up for the 40 bias I hear oh so often :smile:

sb

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Aloha Chris,

Yeah, my mags rattle. I posted something earlier, and was told that its probably on of those "Glock things". The gun runs well, it is just annoying. I was told to call Ben at Glockmeister, and I have yet to get around to that.
 

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I have to agree with SB. I think a lot has to do with trigger control. I havent really noticed a difference in the G17/19 I had compared to the G 22/23 I use for that job now. I guess its plenty accurate for what I need it for, and anyway, due to lawyers, we are restricted to the NY1 trigger. You have to admit, there is only so much accuracy you can squeeze out of an 8lbs trigger.

The G-21/30 I carry for my regular job is a laser. But again, that 8lbs trigger...practice, practice, practice, and when youre done, practice some more :smile:

Aloha
 
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