[Desert Dog]

Most of you that know me from around the Net, know I am a 1911 fanatic. So a few may be surprised I own a Glock. While Gaston's creation will never have the same place in my heart as anything from the mind of JMB, there is no denying they are viable self defense tools. I think anyone that is serious about self defense, should be familiar with the Glock manual of arms.

This pistol started out life as a stock 10mm G20. Dane Burns then performed one of his grip reductions. This took the butt down to G29 length. He also got rid of the silly trigger guard hook and reduced some of the thickness on the sides. The effect of all this grinding, is to make the biggest Glock frame feel more 1911 like. I have pretty big hands and I still find the G20/21 frames just a little too big. While this type of customizing absolutely voids the Glock warranty -- I don't really care. :grin:

I also had Dane install a set of the fabulous Heinie Straight Eight sights. The connector was changed to the 3.5# version and a NY 1 trigger spring was added. An extended slide stop is to be installed as well. The pistol takes G29 10 rounds mags or the 15 round G20 hi cap mags. I am going to have Dane grind on G21, but leave the butt full length. This will give me a swap top .45 that will work with on either frame and the 10mm will work with either frame as well.

Who said Glocks can't be custom pistols too?

DD

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[Bruce]

DD, good point. Hated Glocks until I owned them. Now, the 20 has a special place in the truck, and the 17 and 19 are great for the house. Don't get me wrong, I would run past all the Glocks to pull a 1911 from a fire, but they do work.

Dane, when you get time to work up a couple of 20's, grip reduction, Heinie's, etc., drop me a line. DD, you have fine taste in weaponry

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. I, too, was not a big Glock fan and probably won't get any more of them than the G26 that I carry every day. I much prefer the grand ol' master's P35 and 1911, but then the G34 does look interesting.....

Best.

 

[Terry Thompson]

I too, had Dane modify a Glock for me. It's similar to DD's modifications, except I had a M22 cut down to M23 grip size, had the grip reduced and thinned, and Heinie Stright Eights added. It's a good thing that I prefer my 1911s as I can't get the Glock away from my significant other.

 

[Eugene D. Goodwin]

On 2001-03-29 20:34, Stephen A. Camp wrote:
Hello. I, too, was not a big Glock fan and probably won't get any more of them than the G26 that I carry every day. I much prefer the grand ol' master's P35 and 1911, but then the G34 does look interesting.....

Best.

Well Steven, if you're interested in a G34 I just put one on the for sale forum. Comes with taclight and laser(don't really want to seperate but might). Might want to give it a look see.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello, and thank you, sir. I'll darned sure look at it, but today (gun show in Dallas), I spent quite a bit. In fact, I spent too much!

Best.

 

[Eugene D. Goodwin]

On 2001-03-31 22:31, Stephen A. Camp wrote:
Hello, and thank you, sir. I'll darned sure look at it, but today (gun show in Dallas), I spent quite a bit. In fact, I spent too much!

Best.

O.K. Stephen.(sorry for spelling your name wrong ) guess I should've taken an extra second and made sure I got it right :wink:



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Thanks,
Eugene

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[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello, and no problem whatsoever on the name thingy. I've sure been called worse.

Best.

 

[Larry Vickers]

Here's my 2 cents on Glocks;

1) I agree, every serious shooter should know how to run one.

2) The early ones were more accurate out of the box - from what I understand they opened up the chamber and now the Factory new 17's and 19's are terrible.

3) With match barrels they can be made to shoot around 2 - 2 1/2 inches @ 25 yds with good ammo - not bad.

4) Heinies sights are the best on the market for the Glock - Novaks are okay but Heinies are Number 1.

5) The 17 and 19 are the best Glocks made - the 21 and 22/23 are the worst. The 21 breaks if you shoot them alot and the 22/23's blow up frequently. In my opinion, the 19 is the Best gun they make.

6) Be careful putting in light strikers/striker springs. I've seen light primer strikes with some ammo - this is a hazard with all striker fired weapons so be careful.

7) They are very reliable - but no where near as reliable as Glock claims them to be. I've seen more than one choke before.

The Tenifer finish is incredibly corrosion resistant - Kudos to Glock for that.

9) They are the easiest pistol for M1911 shooter to switch to. No manual safety. mag catch in the same place and slide stop close to same place. A trigger action more similar to a single action than a DA/SA gun. The only thing that throws people off is the grip angle.

Overall they are a good gun but they do require real effort on behalf of the shooter to shoot it REALLY well - Notice there is only shooter using one in the top ranks of IDPA?

They are also much like the 1911 in that they don't tolerate fools easily - If you don't shoot it agressively you can cause functioning problems ( limp wrist) and people who have a problem with finger on the trigger safety issues will regret the day they ever picked one up.

I basically look at them as tools - they get the job done but excite no sense of pride of ownership - no class.

 

[Guest]

DD,
I am curious, how does your BCP modified pistol shoot? Specifically how does it feel under recoil?
I had the oppurtunity to shoot a Glock 23 before and after Custom Arms Co. did a grip reduction and finger groove job on it.
After the reduction I found that it recoils much harder or at least it feels harder, the stock pistol frame on the Glock is soft and seems to absorb the recoil force more evenly?

 

[Desert Dog]

David,

I would really like to know that too! As Dane left on his trip before he could ship it, I will have to be content with the pic for now. I even bought a new holster for it. On top of that, I volunteered to let him ship it to another gunsmith that has an interest in the project. Strangely, I really don't even mind if that smith is the first to shoot it, as it is still as of yet unfired.

I have shot both a G20 & G29, so I don't think I will be all that suprised about the recoil impulse, but I am VERY much interested in how it now fits my hand and it points. Dane and I have the same size hands and he has said it feels just right to him, so I am confident it will be good for me as well. Waiting for a Glock not nearly as painful as waiting for a 1911. :smile:

DD

 

[Shane1911]

On 2001-04-05 20:04, Larry Vickers wrote:
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2) The early ones were more accurate out of the box - from what I understand they opened up the chamber and now the Factory new 17's and 19's are terrible.

Hi Larry,
How does one know if he has an early one or late one? I don't care enough to modify the 17 I have, even if it is the "new" one with restricted chamber. My wife likes it, and it's always been reliable. Would the change-over have been around the time of the cosmetic touchs (ie, finger grooves, and grooved accesories rail) ?

 

[pldaniels]

Larry -

Not trying to be contentious, but I was puzzled by your comment on the G21. What kinds of problems occur with high usage G21s? Do you have the same concerns with the G30?

Pat

 

[Larry Vickers]

Extractor breakage with the 21 - I don't know enough about the 30 to know if it is any different. *Point of Interest - Who really shoots small guns like the 30 or 26 to know how they hold up with alot of rounds?

In order to tell you about early 17's that shot well I'd have to know serial numbers and I don't - it is roughly around the time they went to the checkered/molded frontstrap.I had one of the very first Glock 17's in the country and it shot very well - every bit as good as one with a match barrel today.

If you have one that shoots good be happy - but for my tastes the gun should put 10 shots hand held in about 4 inches @ 25 yds- If it won't do that chances are it is a newer one and I'd re barrel it.

 

[Guest]

Larry,
On your earlier post in reference to the G22 and G23s "blowing up".
FYI:
In 1996 I did contract work for a Police agency that issued the Federal .40 caliber 180gr Hi Shok classic round. The entire run over 45,000 rounds had to be returned as multiple guns started blowing the extractors out of the slides during qualification. It took several weeks to figure out who was at fault? Glock or Federal, it turns out it was the brass and Federal covered the entire recall and threw in 10,000 rounds of replacement ammo.
As to small pistols I have a model 29 with
over 11,000 rounds through it.
As I often lend it to academy students to try out to lessen thier fear of recoil and explain the importance of a proper grip for good control.
It is still ticking away and I have had 0 problems with it.

 

[Larry Vickers]

David;

Thanks for the feedback.I really don't know why the Glock .40's like to detonate but just about anybody who's been around Glocks at all has seen or heard about one. I know Glock has settled out of court repeatedly and they are very mum about this issue.

All that being said my friend Ken Hackathorn got one for when he teaches people with .40 cal pistols and he's forgot more on this topic than I'll ever know.

Thanks for the input on the Glock 29 - Anybody out there please pass on any info you may have on guns with high round counts of factory ammo. You'll be doing everybody a big favor by passing on this info.

 

[Hilton Yam]

I will have to second that the Glock 22/23 are not "polymer perfection." I've had problems with two 23's and a 22, primarily failures to feed with an ITI light installed. One of the 23's slides fell off after its slide lock spring broke.

The weapon's high points are its ease of maintenance, corrosion resistance, and simple manual of arms. My personal experience with their various failures does not allow me to hold them to the Glock standard of "polymer perfection." They'll fail like any other mechanical system. I just happen to understand the 1911 system better, so I'll stick with that.

 

[Tom Novak]

Glock's are one of the guns I Specialize in
at my shop.They are very good guns,and can be
customized quite well. Tom Novak (N.H.O)

 

[Bruce]

Man, I think Larry smacks this one dead center. The Glocks I have owned work [17, 19, 20, 26] but excite no passion...at least in me. I have hunted extensively with the 20, and it has proven rugged and dependable.

Over the years the 17 and 19 have probably eaten 25k of ball ammo, and have worked quite well. Another point that Larry made, that you MUST remember, is shoot these things aggressively, hold them aggressively, or they will foul.

The grip angle on these puppies has always confused me. Need to get mine cut, and will do so when Dane gets home.

 

[BBBBill]

I'll have to agree about the 40s being prone to problems. All of the 9s that I've owned/shot work fine. The 40s are all problematic. I've got a 23 right now that chokes no matter what I do & I'm a Glock armorer for what it's worth. The factory couldn't fix it either. I WON'T palm it off an anyone either. Probably just get a 19 top end & convert it.