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After many years of in depth testing, I've found these products to be top performers:
Break Free CLP http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com
Wilson Combat/Protec lube and grease http://www.wilsoncombat.com http://www.ProTecLubricants.com
(Protec manufacture's Wilson's Ultima lubricants)
Corrosion X http://www.corrosionx.com
Tetra Gun Grease http://www.tetraproducts.com
MilComm/KleenBore TW25B http://www.bestdefense.com
G96 Gun Treatment http://www.g96products.com
ShootersChoice/MPC FP-10 http://www.mpc-home.com
Eezox Gun Care 1-800-462-3331


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Clay on 2001-08-02 01:57 ]</font>
 

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Kleenbore markets a grease and oil made by Milcomm. Kleenbore doesn't manufacture any lubricants/cleaners. Milcomm markets their labeled products mainly to the military, and wants us cake eatin' civlians to buy the Kleenbore line. Same stuff either way.

There really aren't that many manufacturers out there, just different labels.

TW25B is an outstanding lubricant, but is expensive and more difficult to apply compared to CLP.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... genumber=1

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... lubricants

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Don Yoder, the inventor of Break Free CLP, E-mailed me the other day and answered a couple of questions. In 2000, the corrosion preventative in Break Free CLP was improved to meet a newer mil-spec. This is why some people notice a different smell. You still have to shake the container :smile: .

I was also informed by a kind gentleman at Protec, that while they manufacture the Wilson Ultima-Lube line, it is not the same as their own line of lubes. He implied that their stuff, sold under the Protec label, is better. Good stuff!

http://www.break-free.com
http://www.ProTecLubricants.com

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I've always felt the whole gun lube thing gets a lot more importance attached to it than it deserves.

If for some reason I had to shoot a match or go on raid (I'm not a cop) with a bone dry gun, or one lubed with suntan oil, I would not be overly concerned either way (I'd prefer the one with sunatan oil though). Niether is ideal but for a few hundred rounds ought to be OK.... and if you have a gun of any kind that will work with one kind of lube and not with another, there's something wrong with the gun; on the other hand I would have to admit that the lube that makes it work must be better.

Most of the fancy schmantzy gun lubes, I am sure, are not specially formulated, they are just good, regular every day lubes for industry that are repackaged for the gun trade.

My preferred gun lube is the same stuff I use in my Ducati-- Golden Spectro 10 w/40, 50% synthetic. I have tried most of the hi-zoot gun lubes and this works as good as any, and it might as well be free. Every time I change the bike's oil, I set the quart bottles so they'll drain the last drops into my shop oil bottle. My little bottle never gets less than half full.

They told me not to break-in the bike with this stuff, use 100% pertoleum for the first two oil changes, because with synthetic the lubrication is so good that it actually won't break in! Gotta be good enough for a gun. Been using this all-seasons for five years.
 

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If for some reason I had to shoot a match or go on raid (I'm not a cop) with a bone dry gun, or one lubed with suntan oil, I would not be overly concerned either way (I'd prefer the one with sunatan oil though).
Have you ever actually tried shooting a 1911 without any lube? It's hard to imagine that it would function for more than 20 or so rounds.

BTW, I like Mobil 1 myself. :wink:
 

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Synthetic motor oil will work fine as a lube, but it provides very little corrosion prevention. I have the factory test results, and I have tested several brands myself.
Break-Free CLP and Milcomm TW25B work for me :smile: .
 

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Can't honestly say that I have ever taken one down, cleaned and degreased it, and fired "X" rounds through it, but you know me... now I will. I have seen a lot of "dry" 1911's though, and they don't seem so bad off.

Will "dry" a 1911 and put some rounds through it, and report back. Then I'll lube it with Coppertone and try it some more...



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I have seen several M9/Beretta 92F's go down do to lack of lube.
The local sherrif's office here has had problems in the past with officers not maintaining their Sig 220's.
Lack of Preventative Maintenance will have a negative effect on any firearm.
 

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Completely different but I have shot a dry Remington 1100 over 250 rounds with light target loads that cycled fine. I also know others who shoot their 1100's dry. I generally do not, but I somehow forgot to oil it last time I cleaned it.

I also have a Colt .38 Super that used to have problems with FTF. I recently switched from oil to using Hoppes liquid greese on the slide rails. I haven't had a FTF since.
 

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I've had an 1100 and an 1187 that wouldn't cycle reliably without oil, and it happened enough times that I take a small bottle of Break Free CLP to the range in my bag. AR style rifles will especially fail if not properly lubed.
And if you're going to run your 1911 dry, I'll bet it works, but it's going to gall the hell out of the rails.
 

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I like Kellube and whatever oil I find. I little light machine oil cut 50/50 with slick 50 works for me.

Slop some in the slide lug recesses, the rails, bushing, the link, and go shoot.

I agree with Ned, way too much effort goes into trying to find the ultimate lube.

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To add to this discussion,

I agree to some point that if you only want the gun to work for this immediate second, it probably doesn't matter much what lube you use, however, if you are concerned with the overall condition of the gun and long term use, reliability, and functionality, I think it does matter what you use.

Some lubes are OK, some are shit, and others are phenominal. If you happen to have a tightly tolerance fitted gun, it might have some bearing as to what lube you use. Some lubes just don't fit the bill, especially in long term use and reliability. Other lubes are great and make the gun function and reliable over time. They also provide good anti friction and anti corrosion protection and make the gun last over time.

Personally, I love and use FP10. I think this stuff is the best stuff on the market. Talked to a guy from Barrett Manuf. (the 50 caliber guys) and he stated they tested and used FP10 on their 50 cal rifles. They shot 200 rounds out of one of their rifles as fast as they could put a magazine in the gun. The gun got so hot it change colors 3 times. When they were done, they inspected every part of the gun and found no wear and excellent protection. The barrel actually looked polished. He also told me this stuff was made for full auto fire. They said they don't use anything else.

I also like Militec, but prefer FP10.

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StaLube brake lubricant at NAPA for 6 bucks a huge plastic tube. It's molybendum basewd and helps my SS Colt feel like it's sliding on glass rails. It's meant to put up with extreme temperatures, and stays put. It's awesome.
 

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Am I some kind of bonehead for just using Hoppes "Benchrest" oil? I used to use Breakfree CLP, but the new bottles make it hard as hell to apply a drop at a time where you want it, and it actually stains my stainless guns.
 

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Hoppes Benchrest is a fine product if you like it, but there are much better lubes for the money.

I've been using Break-Free CLP for over a decade, on all kinds of weapons and gear, and I've never experienced any staining. You might want to bring this to the attention of Don Yoder at Break-Free.

Break-Free CLP comes in several different containers, and can be purchased at a great price from Midsouth - link below.

Great prices on all kinds of lubes: http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

Here's more info on lubes:

http://www.shotgunreport.com/Articles/BreakFree.html

http://www.apdinc.com/stateplc.htm

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... adid=84962

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... adid=85273

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=62416


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A number of us local 3-gun shooters have been using Mobil One on the AR-15 Bolt and Carrier with excellent results. It stays on longer and cleans up easier than Break Free.

For pistol slides and barrels I really like Tetra Gun Grease. Everything gets a spray and wipe off with Rem-Oil first.

FP10 is superior IMO for the areas needing a really slick oil such as hammer/sear contacts.
 
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