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I have been around here for a while...for some reason i had to reregister and lost my post count but oh well, anyway...and I keep noticing that people complain about the "odd grip angle" and ask how to make it more like a 1911.

I'm sorry, guys, but the Grip angle is one of the first things about the GLOCK that appealed to me, it is much more naturally pointing the hand than the 1911...what i mean is, if you were to point a finger and while you held that position a 1911 were to be placed into your hand, it would point low, the GLOCK is right on.

I know that if you're used to the 1911 or BHP or even Sig for that matter that their respective angles may seem natural, but they in reality are not.

My whole point is: if you don't like the GLOCK's grip angle, that's fine, but please don't talk about it like its a flaw...I perceive this to fall into the same category as those who say that the design is flawed because its made of "plastic"

Ok, rant mode off :smile:

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I can appreciate what you're saying; but, the fact is, the the G17 DOES point high for many users, myself included.:smile: I've found, though, that this is not as manifest on the G19, which is arguably easier for CCW. Ask yourself why there are several smiths doing grip reduction work on this pistol? It's a good pistol,(notwithstanding Dane's disdain for it.:smile:); but, it is NOT 'perfect' by any means. Then again, no pistol is. Heck, that's WHY this forum exists.:grin:
 

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I believe the grip reduction work is so popular because people want it to feel like a 1911...which if that's your perrogative that fine, its your gun, but its not a 1911 and it seems that all the talk i see about manual thumb safetys and better grip angles tells me that people are buying a GLOCK when they want a 1911, in which case maybe they should look at te Spectre.

As I said above, if you are used to the 1911, the GLOCK will point high, but for a natural hand, not how you are accustomed to holding a pistol, but just how you point, the GLOCK angle is almost ideal.
My ranting is just that I hate seeing it called a FLAW when its one of the defining characteristics of the pistol, its supposed to point the way it does, that's why the backstrap is shaped like that...I'll put it this way: How would most of y'all feel if I said:
The 1911 is flawed because it points too low when held in a natural grip, but I guess its acceptable when one realizes that it was designed so long ago that technology wasn't availible to make it at a proper angle.

I don't think it is a flaw, just how the pistol is designed, but I hope y'all see my point :smile:

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While I've always said that the Glock doesn't point well for me, I've never called it "wrong".
I shoot the 1911's (and SIG's) better, but their grip angle isn't ideal either. Only the P7M8 is natural to me.
Simple fact of the matter is that not everyone has the same grip, not everyone finds the Glock's angle "more natural".
For myself, the grip feels too square, the 1911's and other single stacks are much nicer contoured.
The flip side of this is, if you're mad about people saying the Glock angle is "wrong" then you really shouldn't tell people that the 1911 is "wrong" either.
 

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I wasn't saying that the 1911's was wrong, I was just pointing out that the same could be said so that maybe people would realize its just one of the traits of that particular weapon...just saying the same thing but from a different perspective.

I wasn't accusing anyone by name of saying the GLOCK's angle was wrong, just that its something I have seen several times...I have a 1911, and have had others in the past, I would never want a doublestack 1911 with a polymer frame, because to me, that's not what a 1911 is...
On the same plain, a slimmed down, more 1911ish grip angle and a thumb safety and SA trigger on a GLOCK don't appeal to me, because again to me, that's not what a GLOCK is.

I'm not attacking anyone's opinions, just requesting the grip not be described as a flaw.

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Then we agree :smile:

I've not examined the Wilson KZ 1911, but I think it would make a nice gun.
I don't want to make the Glocks into 1911's, but they really could have learned a lot on their G36. IMO, the grip is very long front to back, and it's a drawback to the gun.
It does bug me when the "Glock-guys" say that the HK USP is a copy of the Glock, when the only similarity is the polymer frame, which HK invented, but that's a different rant :smile:
 

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"I believe the grip reduction work is so popular because people want it to feel like a 1911"

Well put, Weiser.
 

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So what I hear is that folks like the "feel" of a 1911, however they purchase Glocks anyway. Is this because they (those buying Glocks and having the grip reduction) feel that the Glock is a better firearm and will spend the extra dollars making it fit and feel better in their hand? If that is the case, I would say, that says alot for Glocks.

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sb,

As someone who chooses a 1911 above all other fighting handguns and does own a Glock with a grip reduction mod, let me share my perspective.

The reason I own a Glock, is that because there are just so darn many of them out there, and that there is a reasonable possibility that sometime in my life I may be without my preferred sidearm. Being already familar with the Glock manual of arms will be a big help to me (I think), should I ever have a need to shoot one. Not to dis the Glock, but my owning a Glock should not be viewed an edorsement of it per se. In my view, anyone that is serious about self defense should be familiar with them.

A Glock is a very capable tool with many endearing qualities, but the the 1911 is still my first choice -- when I have the luxury of choosing. Making a Glock feel more like a 1911 makes it a more natural feeling pistol for me. As I carry and shoot the dremalized Glock, I become more familiar with running one. The grip reduction makes the transition from the 1911 easier. Also, I should mention the pistol I am speaking of is a G20. While I have good sized hands, the stock frame size still feels too large. For me, the grip reduction IS a worthwhile improvement to a Glock, not an admission of dissatisfaction with 1911s .

Here is what my chopped and channeled G20 looks like.



DD

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DD - thanks for the clarification in regards to your reasoning.

BTW the G20 looks nice. Had one and opted to sell it at the time to build an AR. I had wanted one for a long time. It seemed like the first models were at the edge of just barely fitting my hand. Once the FG/R came out I got one because it made it just about right. Wish I never got rid of it and held off to build my AR.

Again thanks for why you had your grip reduction and why you purchased a Glock.

Manual of arms - load mag, insert mag, rack slide, pull trigger. ;-D Oh yes gotta remember not to look for that slide or frame mounted safety :cool:

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Ladies and gentlemen:

We take this opportunity to explain the mental condition of our trusted companion and Glockaholic, ShootingBuff. You see, SB suffered a serious head injury in his youth, (as evidenced by his leaving the beloved USMC for the Army,) and now appreciates the more simplistic things in life, such as Glocks. Yes, their dependability is famous, and their durability seems to be second to none, and as such, SB is a staunch defender of The Faith. :grin::

Please forgive him, and understand that he is undergoing therapy, as we go about our daily lives.

We now return to our regular programming...

(Hey - I wouldn't say it if he wasn't a friend of mine!)
 

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I don't know this guy. Sounds like he wants a friend though.

I do like Glocks and I did leave the Corps. I was making an observation. If I was trying to give Glock a little boost, so be it, however the idea of buying something you don't like seems odd. Spending more dollars on it seems you like something about it, so there must be something that is liked even if folks don't like or want to admit it.

I was leaving it alone, but noooo Chris had to chime in. Thanks for the opening 8-D

Best, be safe, red heads or blonds?

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sb,

If that is the case, then I would say, that says a lot about Glocks... :wink:

Aren't Glocks kinda of like the brunettes of the gunworld? Very dependable and capable (and all), but ya just don't wanna be seen in public with one. :grin: <jk!>

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Well, when love bites one can only go with it.

Denial needs to be dealt with on a professional level. :cool: Or just go out and give your favorite piece (OK handgun -geez) a good work out and be happy.

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On 2001-04-27 07:43, shootingbuff wrote:
If I was trying to give Glock a little boost, so be it, however the idea of buying something you don't like seems odd. Spending more dollars on it seems you like something about it, so there must be something that is liked even if folks don't like or want to admit it.
sb
You do realize you're talking about a bunch of people that take perfectly good 1911's and hack them up? :smile:
It's not like the patrons here are suddenly branching out from one style of gun and getting a glock. Most of them probably have several types already.
"Why would you buy a Glock?"
"Because I was going into withdrawel and hadn't purchased a gun in almost two weeks!"
:smile:
I'd like to get a Glock 357 SIG, it's not the whole "Glock Perfection" thing, but I do like the finish on them. It'd be something new to play with :smile:
 

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Voce -

I cannot argue with the logic of buying a gun because one is going trough withdrawal. It makes perfect sense to me! :grin::
 

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Well when in ones house I don't state my opinion if it different then the whole. I.e I don't go to the 1911 forum. That is just me.

As far as hacking things up, maybe it is because I am not as blessed in the green as some, but I can not see cutting up/ hacking on a perfectly good firearm, or buying one I would have to hence I buy Glocks.

As far as withdrawls I live with them.

It is not a sin to be a free thinker.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people NEED to hack up a Glock, but they don't NEED to hack up a 1911 either in most cases. It's just the tinker in some of us :smile:
 

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DD,

That picture you have is of a G20 I see. How small were you able to get the grip on that pistol? Not shortness, but as in circumference of the grip. Is it as small feeling as a G19 now? I'm thinking of getting something like that done to my G21 -- maybe i'll end up shooting it more.

-Jim
 
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