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O.K.,
I am kind of newbee on this forum, and some of you may have seen my questions posted around these parts with me trying to educate myself, and figure out how (since I just got my concealed carry permit) I should pack my new H&K-USP .45 full sized, and what ammo to have in it.
I have seen the great, very informative posts, by DiFabio and Clay, on the various types of .45 JHPs and what they do when they are fired into wet newspaper, gelatine, and bodies. I am totally sold my H&K, and on the 230g .45 JHP. But I am still in debate as to what brand to carry and why.
Here is my problem: When I took my concealed carry class, my instructor said, "You should never carry a weapon full of ammunition that doesn't say, 'Self Protection' right on the box. And NEVER throw away the box!" The thinking here is that if you ever HAVE to shoot, and you hit the bad guy, but your round keeps on going hits an innocent by-stander in the background, the only way you won't be liable is if the ammo manufacturer has taken that responsibility off you shoulders.
I originally bought a box of Hydrashocks, but everyone is consistatly saying they don't like the perfomance on this round.
So then I look at DiFabio's photos and decide that I want to carry the Winchester Ranger-Talon. Well, I can't, they aren't available to Joe Public any more.
So the next best thing looks like the Speer-Gold Dots. So I go to buy some of those and they DON"T SAY THE MAGIC WORDS ON THE BOX.
I have a box of Winchester "White Box" - "Self Protection" rounds, but I wasn't sure how well they would really perfom untill I saw the post by Clay, and maybe they aren't too bad.
So I am still way confused. ANY help from you guys as to how big of a leagal deal those magic words are, would really help me figure out what to carry.
Sorry for the novel, but there wasn't a quick way to explain all of that.
LionHeart!
I am kind of newbee on this forum, and some of you may have seen my questions posted around these parts with me trying to educate myself, and figure out how (since I just got my concealed carry permit) I should pack my new H&K-USP .45 full sized, and what ammo to have in it.
I have seen the great, very informative posts, by DiFabio and Clay, on the various types of .45 JHPs and what they do when they are fired into wet newspaper, gelatine, and bodies. I am totally sold my H&K, and on the 230g .45 JHP. But I am still in debate as to what brand to carry and why.
Here is my problem: When I took my concealed carry class, my instructor said, "You should never carry a weapon full of ammunition that doesn't say, 'Self Protection' right on the box. And NEVER throw away the box!" The thinking here is that if you ever HAVE to shoot, and you hit the bad guy, but your round keeps on going hits an innocent by-stander in the background, the only way you won't be liable is if the ammo manufacturer has taken that responsibility off you shoulders.
I originally bought a box of Hydrashocks, but everyone is consistatly saying they don't like the perfomance on this round.
So then I look at DiFabio's photos and decide that I want to carry the Winchester Ranger-Talon. Well, I can't, they aren't available to Joe Public any more.
So the next best thing looks like the Speer-Gold Dots. So I go to buy some of those and they DON"T SAY THE MAGIC WORDS ON THE BOX.
I have a box of Winchester "White Box" - "Self Protection" rounds, but I wasn't sure how well they would really perfom untill I saw the post by Clay, and maybe they aren't too bad.
So I am still way confused. ANY help from you guys as to how big of a leagal deal those magic words are, would really help me figure out what to carry.
Sorry for the novel, but there wasn't a quick way to explain all of that.
LionHeart!