Clark,ClarkEMyers said:9X23 shows 100fps slower than the .38 Super from Cor Bon with the DPX. I wonder what the loads and especially the internal ballistics are like? Does the increased capacity of the .38 Super make up for the presumbably lower pressure? I suspect the DPX takes up space in the case more like a heavier weight lead bullet?
I wonder if the best of the .38 Super combined with long loaded 9X19 in race guns and oddballs like the .38TJ will combine to leave no place for the 9X23 to grow?
Mike,teamcorbon said:The actual results reports I've got from a friend overseas are very impressive. <snip> The PowRball round has shown GREAT promise! <snip> If we load it to max pressure, it would penetrate way more than we feel is needed in a defensive loading.
Sounds like the 9x23 PowRball is an extremely impressive round. However, Corbon isn't going to sell much of it if you need custom guns in the $2000 range to shoot it. Do cartridge manufacturers such as Corbon have any influence at all on gun manufacturers ? We need somebody making 9x23 handguns at reasonable prices before the 9x23 can take off.teamcorbon said:Steve,
I really can't give much in detail (who or where). I can say that a shot to the back of the head from 30 ft with a 9x23 PowRball round from a 4" gun looked like a high power rifle wound on the front of the BG's head. It impressed me enough to get a barrel for my 5" 9mm 1911.
9x23 PowRball penetration in our tests using "properly prepared" 10% ballistic gelatin gives 14" with a recovered bullet that is almost flat and the size of a quarter.
The 9x23 DPX penetrates 17" and recovered diameters are in the .55" area.
The 125 JHP load penetrates about 13" and recovered diameters are @.60-.65"
This was our testing. We don't like quoting our figures, but there are no independent test results out there with these loads.
If I go the 9MM route, will a 9x23 magazine (assuming I can find one) fit in a 1911 9MM magazine well ? If I go the 1911 38 Super route I'm almost certain I'd need extractor work. We're talking about a rimless vs. a semi rim cartridge. However, the cartridge length is about right. All the custom jobs seem to be based on the 1911. Don't get me wrong, the 1911 is a great design (I've got a Colt Series 80). But I'm looking for a high capacity weapon. Any suggestions for a high capacity 9x23 that I won't have to mortgage the house to purchase ?Bill Caldwell said:No need to spend $2000.00 for a 9x23. Any 1911 with a 9mm or 38 Super slide can be a 9x23 by fittin' a 9x23 barrel...at the worst, might have to work on or replace extractor and ejector. If no 9x23 barrels are handy...chamber a 9x19 or 9x21 to 9x23......To convert a 45cal.or a 40 cal 1911, buy a 9mm/38Super slide, fit a 9x23 barrel, change ejector and extractor,install other needed parts.
I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that a Glock 10 MM can be converted to 9x23 with a barrel change. Where can I get a 9x23 barrel for a Glock 20 ? Also, what do I do about the magazine ? Where would I get 9x23 magazines for the Glock ?poohdawg said:louishob2
Glock 20 = 17 + 1 . Add a plus 2 pad = 3 rounds of 9x23 = 21 shots.
Sounds like you are set on a double stack gun. I would not let the extractor situation be the deciding factor, however. I have a home converted 9x23mm which uses a .38 Super slide. For quite a while I could not decide whether it was a 9x23mm, or a .38Super. Though the extractor was a bit loose with 9x23mm cases, it never failed to function. Eventually, I will adjust the tension on the extractor, and at that point will keep the .38 Super barrel and cases out of that slide.louishob2 said:If I go the 1911 38 Super route I'm almost certain I'd need extractor work. We're talking about a rimless vs. a semi rim cartridge.
I doubt that there is a 9x23mm marked magazine being produced nowadays. I vaguely remember seeing one in the mag well of a 9x23mm Colt at a gun show. At the time, my ignorance was such that I was confusing the 9x23mm with the 9mm Steyr, which Colt also produced at one time, within my lifetime, anyway. I would like to know if there is a 9mm Steyr magazine, as well. I can show you pictures of a Colt 9x23mm magazine, but like you, I have always used .38 Super mags.Bill Caldwell said:I don't know that there is a9x23 mag. May be My ignorance showin', I've always used 38Super mags. Rimless or Semi rimless? You won't know if You need extractor work untill You shoot the pistol.
Glunks ? Is that a typo, or do I sense a touch of disdain ?Bill Caldwell said:Louisbob2,
I don't know that there is a9x23 mag. May be My ignorance showin', I've always used 38Super mags. Rimless or Semi rimless? You won't know if You need extractor work untill You shoot the pistol. Anticipatin' problems often help make them happen.
High capacity weapon???10 round mag of 9x23 with one in the chamber to start.(A 1911) If 11 rounds won't solve the problem...it should at least by You reload time.
If You are thinkin' 2011 S-I or Caspain .....That could run up close to $2000 or over.
I have no idea what can be done with Glunks. I've attended two of their Armourer schools.....Never owned one.