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375s are mediums. So are the 416s in reality but we'll still talk to you about them.

So any 416 or bigger shooters out there?

I quess a 45/70 is a big bore but how big can it be if you put it in a hand gun :roll:
 

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Damn, my 375 JRS still doesn’t cut it. That’s ok though. I am still taking it to South Africa after next years world shoot.

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Well, all I got right now is my Dakota African in .416 Rigby. I recently sold my 470 NE double and I now got my eye on a Joseph Lang double in 450-400 3 1/4 NE. It will be mine if we can come to terms on the price.

That's going to create a dilemma for me. Which rifle to take to Africa in 03 for my buffalo!! Everyone should be so burdened right? :roll:

My next big bore, magazine rifle is going to be a 404 jeffery on a m98 action. Who's going to build it for me? I haven't quite decided on that yet.

I do own a couple of .375 H&H's but were not suposed to talk about them. :wink:

Tony



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: T. Kanaley on 2001-09-10 20:39 ]</font>
 

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There is a guy [retired porn star, to be correct] living in Washington state that was going to send me a .505 named after him...for my testing for an article to be printed in a little known magazine I write for, err, well, own. The magazine has only one subscriber, and he gets it free, but hey, this guy in WA supposedly wants an exclusive market...which he will damned well have. If only I could remember his name........real handsome guy, chicks dig him, dogs heel for him, guys want to be like him when they grow up...man, you know him Dane? :lol:
 

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Had a Dakota. Wasn't impressed after a bit of time and an education. That gun started me down the road to ruin. Last count two 505s, one 458 and 3 or 4 416s, have to go look :grin:

Not a 375 to be had in this house! I do love the Rigby though :wink:

Am very partial to the 458 but had to do a better 505 to make me HAPPY!
 

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Great idea for a subject, Dane. To parphrase Col. Whelen, only big bore rifles are interesting. :smile:

Tony, I don't know how much buffalo hunting you've done, but if I may express my opinion, take the Lang, assuming you acquire it. To me, hunting buffalo should be like stalking red stag...get as close as you possibly can before taking the shot.

That being the case, I suspect you will be happy to have the big double. They point more naturally, the second shot is immediately available, and if you have the misfortune to wound the bugger, you'll be bloody happy to have the extra knockdown power.

I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, but I've shot a few buff and been present at the downing of quite a few more. Additionally, most every African P.H. I've had the pleasure of knowing has carried a double. And most of the ones who didn't, wished they did. :grin:

My opinion, for what it's worth.

"Kwatala" Cosby

(Before someone asks, a kwatala is an old, sick bull that has left the herd and gone off by himself. They are generally ornery, foul tempered, and prone to charge with little or no provocation. :smile:
 

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That being the case, I suspect you will be happy to have the big double.
Bwana Kwatala, with all do respect and my humble apologies when did a 40 cal dbl become a big bore :smile:

Tony has some VERY nice guns but a 400 grain .40 Cal. bullet at 2150fps isn't a 400gr @ 2400fps ala Rigby. (just barely duplicates a 404 Jeffery) Better yet a 50 cal. 525 @ 2350 fps or 600gr @ 2200fps. :grin:

Although I wouldn't care to relate the ease of shooting either!


(Before someone asks, a kwatala is an old, sick bull that has left the herd and gone off by himself. They are generally ornery, foul tempered, and prone to charge with little or no provocation.)

I'll keep that one in mind!

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On 2001-09-11 11:24, Dane Burns wrote:
Bwana Kwatala, with all do respect and my humble apologies when did a 40 cal dbl become a big bore :smile:
Dane, would you say that about a .460 Weatherby. Meanest thing I've ever shot. This includes some .50 and relatively light lever action 45/70's.

You are close on the .416 Rigby. I actually think it's a pleasant shooting round.
 

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Big difference between a .40 or .416/.425 and a .45 in field results they say. Kinda the 9mm/45 discussion in the rifle world.

No questin a 500 gr 45 cal bullet @ 2700fps will do what is intended. But most bullets aren't up to the Weatherby's velocity..or shooters up to the recoil.
 

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Okay, Dane, you got me. I hurredly lumped the 450/400 along with 500/465's, 450 No.2's, 470's, etc. I know better than to expect any slack at all from this crew, but how the hell am I supposed to check my alledged memory on a cartridge when you have all my stinking books. :smile:

I have shot cape buffalo with a .416 and I've shot them with a 500/465. There is no question in my mind as to which I prefer. The same applies to the magazine rifle vs. double rifle discussion. In the fullness of time I've concluded that I don't really give a rat's ass whether or not anyone agrees with me because there are no right or wrong answers when it comes to personal preference. If it works for you, then go for it.

Frankly, I think my ideal dangerous game cartridge would propel a 500 gr. bullet at about 2400 fps.

As for the 460 Wby. I have had the dubious pleasure of benchresting several of them. :grin:

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how the hell am I supposed to check my alledged memory on a cartridge when you have all my stinking books. :smile:
D'u know :grin:

In the fullness of time I've concluded that I don't really give a rat's ass whether or not anyone agrees with me because there are no right or wrong answers when it comes to personal preference.
Man you are easy today. Understandable.

Hard to keep focused. Stay safe.
 

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I just like my little Reminton 700 in .416 that replaced my Ruger No. 1 in .375 H&H about twelve years ago.

It' amazing the number of people that think a .416 is a BIG bore .... :smile: and only one shooter asked to shoot it a grand total of one round .... :roll: It also is something that quite a few people cannot handle a little .243 and shoot good groups. Both the .375 and .416 would do 5 shot, one inch groups at a hundred yards with the right load and proper triger control from me.

Have fun with your medium bore toys .... and fine doubles .... Mike
 

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With the medium bores, like the small bores, anytime you drop down 75 grains in bullet weight (for example 175 to 100) you have a varmint bullet and going from 400 plus grains to 325 grains, you have one heck of a VARMINT bullet for North America and most other places :smile: LOL Mike
 

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On 2001-09-11 15:28, David Cosby wrote:
Okay, Dane, you got me. I hurredly lumped the 450/400 along with 500/465's, 450 No.2's, 470's, etc. I know better than to expect any slack at all from this crew, but how the hell am I supposed to check my alledged memory on a cartridge when you have all my stinking books. :smile:
Is Dane also hogging books now? :grin:

As for the 460 Wby. I have had the dubious pleasure of benchresting several of them. :roll: It is not for the faint of heart, or for anyone who aspires to be considered particularly bright by his peers.
LOL. Of course my intelligence has been questioned by my friends on many occasions.
 

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I got a real miserable tale about the first double rifle i ever shot. Cured me of the big gun blues.

The gun was a brand spanking new .600 N.E. double rifle. Al the frills, bells whistles and engraving one would expect too. Was made by Heym in Germany, custom order type of thing.

So i paid my 150.00 for two shells . loaded it and planted my feet. Gun was heavy so i figured I was ok to go. Pulled the trigger and next thing i knew they were picking me off the ground and I had a screaming headache. When you let some one shoot a gun like this for the first time, it might be a good idea to tell them to pull the BACK trigger first. I was without that sage bit of advice on my first go with a double rifle. The results, were of course, predicatable. To my credit, i did not let the gun hit the ground, I broke its fall.
 

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Funny, Peter!! :grin:

I've shot a .470 Nitro quite a bit and even though it would occasionally knock my shooting glasses and muffs off during recoil I never found it that abusive to shoot. That is, until I had my first double. You know, those occasions when both barrels fire at the same time. Damn near bit my tongue off and had my eyeballs doing pinwheels in the back of my head.

Actually the worse recoil I've ever experienced was from a Ruger M77 in .458 win mag that a fella at the local range let me have a go at. This guy weighed about 400 or so pounds and he was standing at the bench next to me, firing offhand one shot after another. At that time I had never shot anything bigger than a .338 mag, so out of curiousity I asked him how bad the recoil was, as it sure didn't appear to be having any effect on him. With a grin on his face, he asked if I wanted to shoot it and I said sure!

He handed me the gun, I loaded her up and took aim offhand at a rock about 200 yards downrange and just before I touched her off I heard the 400 lb fella say "Ya better pull her in tight to the shoulder, them loads is purty warm"

When the gun went off there was a flash of white light followed by total blackness and I found myself dancing around off balance on my back foot like I just made a bad golf swing. My jaw felt like I just ran into Mike Tysons fist, but to my satisfaction, the rock I was aiming at was no longer there. With that I just smiled at the 400lb fella and handed his gun back to him and said thanks.

That was years ago, and after that, I never thought I would actually own a big bore, but I guess I'm just not smart enough to learn from my experiences. :wink:

Tony
 
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