Tell you my experience with my Model 41 Smith & Wesson. I had quite a few jams with mine. I wipe my down everytime but don't necessarily do the complete clean routine. As it turns out mine is not only ammo sensitive but sensitive to fouling as well. Once I found the ammo it liked, started cleaning after every session (200-300 rounds on average) , the gun started performing like a trooper.
My Browning Buck Mark is very forgiving and rarely jams.
My Hi Standard almost acts like a spoiled child. It is very ammo sensitive and even then it has good days and bad days. It will function with no problems for 4 or 5 hundred rounds and then the next few trips to the range it may take 30 minutes to fire 20 rounds.
I think that the companies who make 22 ammo try to make that stuff as dirty as they can. Most of my semi 22's need to be cleaned often. I use a can of brake cleaner as it gets all the wax and carbon out also.
I thought about getting a suppressed 22 till I saw how dirty they get...
Anybody have any tips for getting my Ceiner conversion to feed better?....It seems to be a single shot most of the time...so I usually practice getting quick first shots with it...It would be nice if I could get it to cycle reliably.
My sister and I bought my mom one of those S&W 22S pistols for Mothers Day.
The only ammo that it really really likes is Winchester T-22, it really hated the CCI stuff. With the CCI the slide would not catch the rim of the next cartridge, but would bash the case or scrape a nice slice of lead off of the bullet.
The T-22 fires perfectly, we have only had one or two caught case ejections with it now after 300 rounds.
I can keep a sub 1.5" group with it at 75 feet semi-rapid fire with an Optima 2000 red dot site.
Are non-firing .22 rounds common? We have had about 8 of those so far.
Bronco, have you read the conversion posts under Glock Forum?
I have a Ceiner on a 17 and it and sometimes has light firing pin hits but that is getting much better, no feeding problems.
Is your unit on the 1911? You can check out Florida Bullseye for much information on 1911 conversions but most use the Marvel unit. I have not shot mine too much as other things in the fire till fall but test target sent was the average one of all fired in a Ransom Rest at 50 yards @ .650". I will try to get a dedicated frame set up for this unit before too long. (I used to live in Bismarck in the sixties.)
Is it feeding problems you are having with the Ciener ?? I have an early model and it
will not work with a reduced power main spring..The hammer follows the slide every time..With a stock mainspring it workes quite
well..Must use Hi Velocity ammo or it will not feed,slide will not go back far enough to
pick up a round from magazine..
Hope this is of some help..
Thanks Bompa....Yes it is a Ciener...I am thinking about getting a new lower for my Kimber Compact...and useing the old lower for a full time platform for the Ciener...I haven't tried enough different kinds of ammo with the conversion kit yet...aw shucks...I suppose I am going to have to shoot some more... :wink:
Try relieving the ejection port on the slide. I had to lower mine some and give it a really good radius. It works great with Federal cheapo 550 hollowpoints and others. I finally got it working, and have had nary a jam with 10 or 15 rd mags. Good luck, DC
It would help in determing what the problem might be to know what the pistol is; what magazines you're using and what ammo it doesn't like and what ammo it likes. Another bit of info that is useful is where is the round hanging up?
A lot of 22 feeding problems are related to the magazine (lips need adjustment or dirty magazines).
Some ammo is strange; for example I've started using Aguila SV - it's got a heavy build up of wax on the head. The only way I've found to make it work in my old HS guns is to put a drop of 3-in-1 oil on the top round. By the way, this ammo is very accurate and reasonably priced.
On any semi auto especially 22, I have found that keeping the chamber clean is #1. Personally use an Otis (tm) pull through system. Good clean ammo, mag feed lips and recoil springs ajusted. This otis system is great for field and range also.
I personally put 12K rounds through an old s&w 422, at 7k s&w free of charge put in new springs.
Ruger Target I put approx 18k rounds, before someone wanted these more than I did. My friend still shoots and competes with these.
He did replace the springs in the ruger At 20K before a big match.
Sometimes the only 'cleaning ' was a pull through and a wipe down, with a little swabbing with a pipe cleaner around the extractor and feed lip.
Used 98% of the time X22lr, though powerpoint works well also.
In my 22/45 have continued this regiment but since going to FP10 have actually tried to get this one to jam. One afternoon at approx 1200 rounds finally got one FTE, ammo? buildup? quick pass with FP10 and finished with no problems the 2k I ran through it
BTW most of the extraction problems I saw in skeet competion was cahmber related, regardless of action type. Wisps of 0000 steel wool around a brush and one is back in the game.
Oh forgot due to the way this system designed most of the time didn't have to use a brush, patches are TIGHT and had and don't have a problem with leading.
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I have a Bersa Thunder 22lr and a Walther P22, yesterday, I went to the range to try various brands of ammo, to see if any bulk/SV stuff would reliably cycle thru my guns. CCI mini-mags were 100%, Rem GB's were 100%, Winchester Super X's were about 80% with both FTF's and FTE's. CCI SV were no bueno, high rates of jams, as were the Rem Thunderbolts. So, if you want fun and reliability, chose M/M and GB's for semi-auto pistols.
At Walmart M/M's are only $7.47/100, if you spend good money on pistols, don't get stupid cheap with your ammo.
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