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any tips on what to bring? or just personal experiences?
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Shay on 2001-05-03 09:19 ]</font>
 

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Just finsihed their two day course and had a great experience. If my memory serves me you can go to their web-site and print a list of things you will need.

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I was in that same 2-day class this past weekend. The Rangemaster cadre put on a quality class. I'm sure their 5-day classes would be great too...sort of like the BIGGER cut of prime rib.

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I will be there, I am so excited I'm loosing sleep already:)

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Shay on 2001-04-04 16:14 ]</font>
 

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I've been to a couple........pretty good time, you get to shoot paper , beat on people and then shoot them :grin: All in a gentle and emotionally supportive atmosphere of course;)

And the BBQ at Lenor's is fair!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Dane Burns on 2001-04-09 19:01 ]</font>
 

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I have taken the class and I think you will find it to be some of the best training that is out there. By the end of the class you will shoot faster, move better, and think about things with a new prespective that most training does not even touch.
 

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From this years '01 Class after 3 days of 90 degree weather on the Mississippi river delta.





and a little give and take in CQB and sim









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here are some more pictures
1) eating dirt:




2) hanging with the 3 masters




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Shay on 2001-05-01 17:02 ]</font>
 

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David,

No reason I need a FIST suit! I would never allow them to ACTUALLY hit ME for chrimney sake :grin:

No one pays me that much!

So Shay, what did you think now that it is over?
 

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I consider this the best training I have ever had. Too bad it was only 5 days, we where just starting to enjoy what we learned.
I think this class is very important for anyone that takes his/hers personal protection seriously. It is based on exactly that, PERSONEL PROTECTION. Too many training schools are teaching techniques carried over from military/LE applications, which have NOTHING to do with a private citizens personal defense scenario.
I highly recommend this class.
Check out John Burns article in http://www.gunrag.com for a full description of last year’s 5-day class.
 

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I had a blast at the 5 day course,some of the best training out there. They started you thinking that a gun is not always the answer.Dane was great on the hand to hand tactics.I wish we could have done more!The days we're long but it was very organize.I would say to anyone who has the time to take a class from this group you will not be disappointed.This is my second class with Rang Master and will be back for more!I've been to lots of school and have learned from all of them.The difference is they have been there, done it, and it works! I think Range Master is always trying to stay current with tactics,and it shows.
 

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Let me chime in regarding the Rangemaster 5-day course. This was the second time through the course for me, so I must have seen some worth in it after the first, and it is about the seventh course that I have taken from the Rangemaster folks. Again, that speaks for itself.

As Man-Mountain Shay has said on this forum, this was not a shooting skills course although there was plenty of work on those things, particularly marksmanship while presenting and moving. The 5-day course expected that the students were good shooters coming in. Still, an entire day was scheduled to rub off any rust that we might have accumulated. I don't practice enough (but I will in the future, I promise!!) so I had a good amount of rust particularly regarding accurate fast fire. After the first day, all of us were shooting at credibly high levels on several federal law enforcement qualifications.

At its core, the course was one on defensive mind set. Dane is mostly always able to botch up the thinking and the actions of his students but the more we go through his scenarios, the better we get at getting through them. Some of us may now be close to being able to survive a real situation through something more than blind luck. I'll give a few examples.

Last year I failed miserably in every fun-house problem we did. Walking into a pretend-store or having to solve a problem about coming home late to my own home, I wrongly tried to dominate the adversaries or to reach for my weapon or similar things each time without realizing that that was inappropriate behavior and that I was going to get myself into big trouble. This time, my mind was working a bit better in most of the scenarios and I survived them. However, I still screwed up in others. I learned that tunnel vision is real in combat situations and no amount of classroom talk is going to keep you from falling into that trap. In a problem where I was told I had two rooms to clear (and where I knew that there were two co-attendees who were acting as adversaries) I forgot that there were *two rooms* to clear (and that there were *two bad guys*) so focussed I was on the first guy, and I got shot. You have to experience the failure before you can do something about it. Nonetheless, that was the only time I got shot with Simunition this year. Last year was much bloodier.

Dane fooling with my head? The worst for me was in the Fist Suit work. Dane thinks it's instructional to put us in a Fist Suit and beat on us where the rule is we cannot strike back. It's supposed to impress upon us how hard fighting is and how quickly you become exhausted. Well, that works well enough, and most people wanted to crawl into a hole after about 30 seconds. Me, I am a martial artist but I'm also an old fart. I got tired after a while holding Dane off and he got me to the ground. I still did well holding him off by facing him with my feet and kicking. I was satisfied that I had reached a stalemate. What did Dane do? He said, "You can stop kicking, Mel." I did. He was then on top of me knocking the stuffing out of me (which, I have to say, you hardly feel through a Fist Suit). He won. I was the fool. I was not thinking defensively (I was not thinking at all) and he tricked me into submission. I hate that. (But he knows he can never do that again, right? :grin:)
 

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Rangemaster (me in this case) expects more from returning students. What is fair and nice the first year or first CQB class is just a "Hi, howdy" for the second year. Only your Momma will you a time out :grin:

As Mel learned, "I ain't your Momma" and a sucker punch is what generally gets things started or ends it. Generally, ends it.

I have to say though I only suckered Mel once into a gun fight this year. If that is an indication of his learning curve I hope Mel is as satisfied with the results of the "pain compliance" teaching techniques I offer with love and effection in a emtionally supportive environment at Rangemaster :grin: I was. And I am not easily satisfied or pleased.

For those that wonder why I get to beat on the students but they don't get to beat on me? First they get a FIST suit which is padded in most of the places you need it. I don't. Second I actually do control my level of attack to the outer comfort level of the student. Although some might argue that :roll: And finally, not the most important for the class or the learning experience but certainly for me, I wouldn't be worth much after letting 30 people in this case, beat on me..with or with out a FIST suit.

Mel, glad you are here at the forum and while a true martial artist, I won't hold that against you :wink: I want you on MY side and at my back if things go bad.

You are a BAD dude, Mel. I suspect their are some young kids who already know that. There were more than a couple of guys I would want in MY army from this class.

I forgot to add if you want to actually beat on me I do put on a FIST suit and take what ever you want to throw at me in the CQB course...but I limit that to TEN students. ( You listening this time Tom? that is the number 10 :smile:



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