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Purchased a Springfield Armory "Bureau" model (the one with the FBI serial number before they were stopped and changed to the "Professional" model) and shot it today. Perfect! I ran about 200 rounds through it and there was not even a hint of a hic up. Accuracy was outstanding but didn't have any rests with me so it was all by hand. Was concerned about the 20 lpi because I had a Kimber before with 20 lpi that kind of tore me up (yeah I guess I was a wuss) but this one just felt great! Has anyone else had any experience with this gun?
 

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I am _really_ envious of youse guys :wink:

Any chance of some pics ? , the one on the Springfield site is kinda small...



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Blackjack on 2001-05-10 06:14 ]</font>
 

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Once I figure out how to do it, and get a digital camera, I'll give it a shot (no pun intended).

My gun is still at the gun range on the ridiculous 10 day "cooling off" waiting period. The irony of it all is that the longer I have to wait, the hotter I get! :sad:

Oh well, it'll be HOME soon :smile:

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Okay, picked up my Bureau model today and shot it again. This time with a Millet pistol bench (not a machine Ransom rest but better than my shaky, flinch-infested hands could do on thier own). Put the target to the back of the range, probably 15 yards or so, and put a nice cluster together with one flyer about .5 from others. The others almost all touched! Not bad. Repeated twice with very similar results. Then quit while I was ahead.

Moved target into combat range. Put another 200 rounds on top of the previous 200 rounds with no malfunctions at all. Thats 400 rounds, with no cleaning, and it was not cleaned before I bought it from the other person. Overall, pretty darn happy! :smile:
 

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Springfield sent me a Professional to test for my new book. It was an amazingly accurate and utterly reliable pistol. Despite rumors to the contrary, gun makers do not let us writers keep the goodies. I had to send it back, but not without some pangs of regret.
 

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...huh?
 

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First off I am very glad that your pistol is working out well for you. More power to you brother! I had an interesting conversation with an FBI agent about the bureau model about 6 months ago. He was buying a glock 27 from me and I didn't want to waste the opportunity to ask him about guns. He is a firearms instructor and as such told me he could carry pretty much what he wanted after if was safety checked. I asked him about the bureau model and he said he hated it. He said at the range for familiarization training they couldn't get a gun to go through 2 mags without a stoppage and that he would never carry them. I replied that I thought that was very interesting as I had read that the testing was very intense and demanding. He said he would not carry one. I asked him about the Glock 30 and he said he loved it but it wouldn't feed the golden saber 230 grain that they had to carry as the OAL was too long for that gun to function reliably. He was hooked on glocks.

By the way, I don't share his opinions. I am hooked on 1911's; but that is really because I shoot them better than other types of pistols. I am glad to read this post of bureau model performing so well. Good luck with your new gun. Is this your primary carry gun?

-Jake
 

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I got to shoot one of the FBI guns and as far as shooting goes it is one sweet pistol!

The only critiques I have are:
- The checkering is not very clean
- Novaks instead of Heinies :smile:
- S&A magwell- unnecessary IMO


But it is not fair to judge this pistol on cosmetics because it is a pistol intended for a SWAT operator, not for show. That’s the difference.
I would feel 100% confidence to carry one for work or self-defense.

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I don't know which office he works out of but I live in Sterling, VA and he lives here too. He bought a G27 I had advertised on subgus.com and we did the deal at this house. The car in front was a crown victoria with what looked like the "police" package on it to me. He posts on subguns under the name of "Chas" but I don't feel comfortable giving out his name over the internet. By the way, what is one of these pistols worth with the FBI prefix. I saw one on subguns last night for 3,300.00 (might have been 3,500 - can't remember), the seller seems nice enough but I was curious if they are really worth that much. It was a lightly used gun.
-Jake
 

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Jake, Thanks for the info. I wasn't really looking for his name, just office or unit. And there is a reason why I asked based on his comments regarding the SA pistol.
 

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Well, every gun can have a bad day. I've owned Baers, Colts, SA and other semi custom and full customs but none that has run this well with every load. Some have equalled it (100% so far is 100%) but none beat it.
 

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Steve Nastoff has mentioned in American Handgunner {9/99} that the "....retail would be $1,900....." {for the actual FBI pistol} & {FBI's} cost would be well below retail."
 

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Jake...you have email.

Sorry I didn't catch this discussion earlier...The SA Pro Model is one hell of a good gun. Period. Probably the best gun that the Bureau has procured in the last 10 years or so...all other things being equal.

I'm not trashing the Glocks...but I'd take the SA over a Glock any day and every day, no question!
 

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I think the $1900 price was quoted before they discontinued branding them "Bureau" model and eliminated the FBI prefix serial numbers. Apparently on 50 or so went to public before they stopped and started marketing them as the "Professional" model.

Prices have inflated due to the markings rarity, but not due to it being built any differently. Retail on current Professional models are $2500 now. Dave Williams, of SA Custom shop, said the "Bureau" models with FBI serial numbers are going between $3500 - $4000 (I didn't say, he did!).
 
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