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I know this has been debated way too much, sorry. Currently I carry a Glock 19 loaded with Georgia Arms 124gr +p gold dots. I am very good with this weapon both at the range and on the street. I was in a situation where someone had drawn a gun on me, I had my front site on his chest before he could bring his weapon up. LUCKLY he dropped it (turned out it wasnt loaded) and I did not have to shoot. Point is even under great stress I'm good with the weapon.

Problem is....I don't know if I fully trust the 9mm. I know it is a proven round but when I think about it, if both a 9mm and 45 can get to vital organs such as the heart and I can handle both then why not shoot the one that has a larger diameter which is able to cause greater blood loss.

Should I consider switching, and if so what is a good 45 handgun? I love glock but I dont really like their 45's. Or am I just paranoid, just stick with what I have.

What brought this on was some of the posts by David DiFabio in wich he had pics of expanded 45 rounds which I found impressive.
 

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I agree with Stephen. You are only outgunned if you miss. Better to have a gun in a caliber you can hit with - if that caliber is .45, great.

I'll say it again - a hit with a 9mm beats a miss with a .45 ALWAYS.
 

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I feel your pain. All this 9 vs. 45 stuff was hurting my head. So I got one of each. I figure which ever one I feel most comfortable/confident with is the one I'll use. The bizzare thing is that I carry the .45, but keep the 9 next to the bed. I guess it means I'm comfortable using either if I have to.
 
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Confidence and mindset are really very important, if it will possibly improve your C and M I would reccomend you rent a .45 and try it, if you shoot it as well as your 9mm then switch.

If you decide not to switch I wouldn't worry either.
The difference in wound cavity between a good 9mm round like the GA and a good .45acp from GA or something comparable will require a microscope to discern.
 

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I feel that Hi-Cap magazines are over rated for self defense use. Thats why I stay with the .45 ACP for me (I'm LEO). I will sacrafice number of rounds for the big guy. Just my thoughts.......
 

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Maybe the all the hearsay is just drilling too deep into my head. After so many years of hearing people insultthe 9 maybe it's getting to me. Bullet technology has come a long way way. I may be better sticking with what I can use effectively.

I'll rent out a few 45s but I'm not going to worry too much about it. I'd never sacrifice accuracy for caliber.

David DiFabio:
I'm very impressed with all your testing. I love people who test for themselves. I will be shortly (getting a higher paying job that allows me to). Have you done testing on the 9mm as you have on other calibers? If so it would be great to hear the results.
 

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Doomist,

I know its expensive but, why not buy a Kimber or Springfield 1911 in .45 and experiment with it? I carried a Glock 19 for six years (settled on 147 gr Golden Sabers) than took a chance on a 1911 to see what all the raving was about. I was glad I did!

I find the 1911 is simply easier to hit with. You may get only one shot at a bad guy. I want a pistol which makes firing that one shot accurately as easy as possible.

I have more confidence that a heavy 230 gr bullet will penetrate deeper than a lighter bullet (except hot 9mm ball). I know bullet construction is supposed to equalize the calibers but, I haven't seen this play out in my wet newspaper testing.
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I do indeed have an ewnourmous amount of 9mm info.
I have been tsting the 9mm since 1986.
I have been intending to post a series on the 9mm but demand has been pretty low, honestly most guys on this site seem to be 1911 and .45 bond, not that that is a bad thing.

And I really just do not have the time right now.
Once things get more normalized I will be able to resume my detailed postings.
 

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No problem, I'm patient :smile:

Think I'll go rent out a 1911 and see how I like it. I don't know much about 1911s. Any suggestions on which ones to try?

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Ha! I joined this forum (after lurking for months) just because I'd LOVE to hear some of your 9mm testing results.

I've found your testing very informative, and very good at finding the truth, and flaws in various designs. You're the most thorough tester outside of the IWBA, and FBI.

While I'd prefer to use a 10mm, I've chosen the HK P7, and so I look for all the 9mm data I can find.

-Morgan
 
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With all of these enlightened people using HK P7s you have motivated me.
Stay tuned, I will set aside some time probably mid week to start scanning pictures and uploading info to put up a new 9mm test article.

Stay tuned....
 

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The fact that you posted indicating a concern about the merits of the effectiveness of the 9MM as a defensive round says it all. If you are losing confidence in your carry caliber, it's time to switch. It looks as if you are a dedicated shooter who takes responsibility for solid training - you will have no problems with the .45.
 
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I'm close to completing my tests, I have been hindered recently by the theft of my digital camera but I have a new Cannon on order and will hopefully wrap things up in the next two weeks.
 
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