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I recently made the switch from .45 LC to .45 ACP, so I am pretty clueless on this. I have a Kimber Pro Eclipse II and a Les Baer TR Special. So far I have just shot FMJ factory and commercial reloads....and not a single jam or misfeed. I thought that I would slowly work my way donw the food chain on ammo. What is the most misfeed prone ammo? Looks to me like semiwadcutters because of the little ledge on it.
 

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Cruddy Ammo?

The right over all length and proper taper crimp seem to be more important criteria for reliable feeding that bullet shape in many guns. If yours is set up right, good 200gr LSWC will feed 100% reliably.

As far as commercially loaded FMJ, some people swear by Wolf (cheap and dirty) as the least expensive At $135/1000 or Sellier & Bellot (S&B)often available for $164/1000 at Natchez Shooters Supply. Often, as now, you can get these prices with lower quantities.

American Ammo seems to have the worst reputation for commercial ammo, but it's not the cheapest. I'm sure many others on this forum will have plenty to say.

Good Shooting!


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Wolf and American (A-Merc headstamp) are cheap and sometimes give trouble because of low quality. They are of ball configuration and will usually at least start into the chamber. They may not make it because of bad dimensions or too much lacquer on the Wolf steel cases, but that is low quality, not design flaws.
If you want a load that will test your gun's feeding and your skill both, spend the extra for a box of factory match. The 185 grain semiwadcutter is spotty on feeding because it is short, not because it has the SWC shoulder. But boy, does it shoot. My first really accurized gun shot Winchester Super Match into 1 5/8" at 50 yards from the Ransom rest.
 

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Tom, while I can understand what you are trying to accomplish here I must ask you in the name of all that is Browning to rethink this... If you want to test the guns feeding then by all means have someone you TRUST load you up some ammo that is hard to feed, but please do not try to find the crappiest ammo you can and run it through such nice pistols. Ammo with bad quality control just might be ammo with a double charge of powder in it too. Last thing we at the board need is to read about you loosing your hand and blowing up a good blaster because you were trying to find some piece of mind. Thats my take on it anyway, but I wish you good luck in your quest.
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Don't bother looking. Crappy ammo can find you with little or no effort on your part. However, if you want to hasten this occurance, put your favorite 1911 into the same case, trunk, etc. as Jac Ryan's (Corey's) 1996A2, or stand close to Jac on the firing line.:grin:

BTW, Jac Ryan/Corey, did you finally get that Wilson pistol straightened out? Hope WC did you right.

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okay, so it is a semantic thing. I guess I should have been more stilted and professor-like and asked what general category of 45 acp tends to be the most problematic...SWC,JHP,Lead ball,etc? This is more of a please educate the dum ol 45 long colt guy. Scattered throughout this forum are many messages about how this ammo will no feed in this gun, my gun doesn't like this kind of ammo, yada, yada, yada and I just havent had any of that....not complaining, mind you...just trying to get a heads on the concept.
 

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...well for one thing, everyone doesn't have a 1500. TRS to try to jam up...They are pretty famous for eating just about everything without failing. If you'll try some real short JHPs maybe you'll get your wish...I've found that shorter rds tend to be a more difficult feeder in my pistol...But then, for awhile, you couldn't get mine to run at all!

Good Luck on this qwest...I hope you find what you are looking for!




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Never had a wilson combat pistola myself, must have me confused with someone else partner, I did have a TRS myself. Loved it, just wanted a few things changed and once I did the math I figured out I could sell it and use that money and what it would have cost to make it like I wanted and have Dane build me up a gun exactly the way I wanted it to be. I loved the TRS though, no complaints, the stuff I wanted changed was personal preference stuff.

Good luck, Jake
 

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CCI 200gr hollowpoints are the most unreliably feeding rounds Ive ever shot. Out of 2 50rd boxes my Springfield 'loaded' would feed a max string of 3 and then jam. Out of a different pistol they might have fed fine but, Ive never had the desire to test for further unreliability with the CCI through any gun. If I buy a box of ammo and it jams a gun up, I usually dont buy anymore of that brand.

I think a determination of the most unreliable brand of ammo would involve pretty extensive testing. At least as extensive as testing for reliable ammo.
 

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I think this is the first time I've seen this approach taken to get wherever it is we'll be when we get there, don't you?
 

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TomDoublePooch, rereading your post it sounds like you're not asking about low quality ammo, you're asking about difficult feeding ammo. I gather you understand they're not the same. Low quality, well, it can get as low as you like, and FMJ that's bad enough won't feed or work in anything. Now, assuming high quality factory or reloaded ammo, done right so any problems won't be a result of bad quality, there are certain bullet types that are more reluctant to feed. When I'm dialing in a 1911 I like to make sure it will feed a wide range of ammo, even in slow, hand-feed mode, and I consider the gun "there" when it will feed, from the top of a fully loaded Wilson/Rodgers magazine, these (be they factory or handloads):
-Speer 200 JHP "Flying Ashtray"
-Keith-style SWC, 215 grain, by National Bullet. Same loaded profile as the 240 Keith.

A gun that'll feed these will gobble pretty much anything, including any factory HP load, as both are rather stubby. 200 H&G 68 wadcutters are not such hard feeders in my experience. If a .45 ACP will feed 240 Sierra JHC's, well, even though they're not stubby, they have a ring of exposed, very soft lead at the tip. Very tough to feed. If your gun will feed these it might even take .50 Action Express!

The mention of Wilson/Rodgers mags is significant here.... they are a must if you are to have the most positive feeding possible.
 

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Whew! when I saw Ned posted in this thread I was worried he was gonna say " the crap 200gr LSWC's that Andy Reed makes " :smile:



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I stand corrected, Jake. I had you confused with JacRyan, aka: Corey, who has/had that 1996A2 from Hell. Your buddy Duke still have that CQB, too?

I think I'll go get some sleep, thank you.

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Andy:

Hmm, I guess someone DID change my username per my request. Didn't get any email reply so a big THANK YOU to whoever did it.

Most recently I've been shooting my AR15's and wife's S&W 3913 more. I finally got a holster (Lou's CQC-I) for it and have "rediscovered" this little pistola.

I've also been swamped with work, a week off spending time with my daughter, tons of deer hunters at the range sighting in, etc., so I've been away from this board for a while.

Bottom line is "I don't know" on the 1996A2. I've been investing in Israeli Q3131A M193 and South African battlepacks recently so I haven't made any .45ACP purchases of late. (Incidentally, IMI just suspended all M193/M855 Winchester sales diverting ammo for the war effort. SA battle packs are also drying up. Buy the good stuff now 'cause you won't see it for a while.)

Anyhoo, I plan on buying a case of "milspec" .45ACP next spring and expect 1000 rounds with NO hangups. If that's not the case, the pistol's going back to Wilson Combact and when I get it back it had better say "CQB" on the side.

Sorry to tromp on your thread. This is the first time in a while I've checked back here and was surprised to see my name pop up.

I have to get a review of Lou's AWESOME holster rigs put together soon, so I'll be around more often.

Oh, and in direct response to the thread, the best luck I've had with promotional level ball has been with S&B and Federal American Eagle. Both have gone around 750 rounds without a FTF.

I've gotten absolutely piss poor terrible performance from Speer Lawman 230 grain FMJ (no crimp) and Winchester WinClean 185 and 230 grain (severely underpowered and inconsisten loads, I believe).

HTH
 

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Andy, Yes, Duke still has that TRS, but I believe he has the most trigger time with his CQB and mostly uses that as he is used to it. He seems pretty happy with both I think. I am patiently waiting for my Burns blaster, but I picked up a colt delta elite yesterday for 499 bucks that is ANIB (to me anyway) so I am waiting contentedly.
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Jake, you're gonna love that Delta. I have a blued one that I picked up from a buddy at work for $500 a while back. Was NIB and came with two magazines. It has a decent trigger and has yet to malfunction with any 10mm ammo I've put through it (Federal 180 & 200-gr. H-S as well as Hornady 180 & 200 gr JHPs.) Shoots to POA and is VERY accurate, too.

I've been waiting patiently in line for years for Richard Heinie to work his magic on it, but Dane's Wave treatment and demonstrated abilities with CastleBravo's sow's ear to silk purse Delta is causing my resolve to waver. I'm kinda hangin' fire on this because I want to see how my Kimbers look when Dane get done with 'em with SlantPros vs. the Novaks on my TRS.
 
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