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OK...There seems to be a lot of love for the 9x23..Who all has one or two and in what configurations. What other platforms are you using besides the 1911...and lets see pics too.

For a start, I have a stock Springfield that is slowly being modified and a S&W 940 (that Dane needs to finish up). Now what do you guys have.
 

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The 9x23 is a great caliber.
1. Springfield 9x23 mil-spec that I customized
2. Colt 9x23 Enhanced Factory
3. Colt 70 series 9mm converted to 9x23
4. Colt pre 70 series 38 super converted to a 9x23
5. Craig F-15 Fantom 9x23
6. Caspian Commander 9x23 upper waiting for an officer Frame
7. S&W 547 3" round butt that I,m sending to Dane to have reamed to 9x23.

I tried to make all of them feel the same by using the same trigger,beavertail, thumb safety,mag well,extended mag release and grips. Both conversions have Bar-Sto Barrels and the Caspian has a Nowlin Barrel. I also made sure that the rear chamber was the same size in all the guns so my reloads would work in any of them since the sizing die can't get down to the base of the sidewalls.

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Love the 9x23, can't wait to get some of the loads Dane has been working up in the lab :smile:

I have 2, so far. A 1911 from BCP and a J frame also from there. The 1911 is the pistol that keeps the rest of my pistols in the safe. It has functioned flawlessly, is incredibly accurate [even in my mitts] and it has spoiled me on 1911's. It is hard to describe, but the pistol is just so...nimble. Very quick in the hand. I don't know what Dane did to it, just asked him to build a pistol he would carry, made no other requests. Have not kept an accurate shot count on it, although multi-thousands of rounds have gone down range, no jams, no failures to eject [in fact, it will eject into a pile of brass about 8 feet away :smile:], no problems at all...it just runs and runs and runs, dirty or clean makes no difference.

The J frame? Well, best described by a neighbor friend of mine who, after shooting it smiled and said "hey, that's a hot little f#cker...." :grin:

On the building block is a hi-cap STI in 9x23, also from Dane.

For those who don't own one, this is a wonderful cartridge. Winchester makes a white box ammo that wholesales for under $10 for 50, the brass can be purchased, and, Winchester also makes it in a SilverTip.
 

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Hey JM10mm,

Would you care to share some of your favorite loads for the 9X23? Have you tried any of the Vectran powder? Have you tried loading 147gr. bullets?

Sorry to get off the subject but I am always looking for good loads. Email me if you would prefer.

John
 

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Well, I have a EAA Witness that was converted from .38 S to 9x23W.

It has proven to be very accurate in both calibers.

In .38 S the little rim gave me a few mag jams in the 18 round mags, but with 9x23 there has been no mag jams. There have been a few FTE and FTF jams with 9x23 in the early going (under 400 rounds) but nothing as of late. I have about 750 rounds of both flavors of Win ammo through it and about 1000 rounds of .38 S through the pistol.

It is really only a beater pistol, but Dane has informed me that in the collective opinion of several 'smiths, the EAA Witness is a little on the delicate side for the 9x23. I have yet to have a problem though.

For the use that I'm going to get out of the Witness, I don't believe I'll run into any problems, and if I do, it cost me less the $500 bux total for the gun, the 2nd barrel, recoil/mag springs and two more full cap mags! :smile:

Should it croak, they'll I'll get me a tweaked out 1911 from Dane (if he'll take my $) and really have a great shooter! :grin: Now if I was only a great shooter! :wink: :wink:

Derek

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I am not much on posting laundry lists of firearms owned in a public forum, but I will acknowldge having a single stack, double stack and a S&W 940 (J-frame) all chambered in 9x23. Heck even my Glock 20-9 is going to (soon) be chambered for the round. Yeah, I like the round A LOT. :smile:

Here is my Burns Custom Pistols STI double stack 9x23, that is simply the most acccurate centerfire handgun I own. It is often used as my CCW piece.



BCP-STI 9x23 Talisman

Here is my chopped G20 that will soon be getting a BarSto 9x23 barrel. When my G21 is finished getting its 'dremelabrasion' treatment, this switch top Glock will be able to shoot 9x23, 10mm and .45 ACP or .45 Super -- compact or full size frame.



BCP Glock 20-9

John,

If you look on Dane's web site you will find excellent 9x23 load data. Dane will likely put up the load data for Vectan SP-2 when he gets some free time. We are both using that powder and Dane will be doing the developement work on a 147 gr. Gold Dot bullet loaded over Vectan. It should be able to do 1400+ fps. :cool:

Bruce,

Your neighbor friend sure has a way with words. :grin: The 9x23 in a 940 IS a HLF! But interestingly enough, I find it is not as hard to shoot well, as the .357 Maggie out of the same frame and barrel combination. Tell him next time you will let him shoot 9mm para through it instead...

DD

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DD,

Are you doing anything else to the Glock besides dropping in the Bar-Sto? I'm thinking about getting a G20 and doing that specific mod :smile:

BTW: That STI is mighty cool looking :smile:


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DD...he said that right before he asked "how much". :grin:

Tell me more about the G20...got a couple burning a hole in my safe. Would love to do the 9x23 on it.

The Talisman...another %#&*#*( picture of the (*^&&%^ pistol I #$%#&^+ want :smile:
 

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OK DD, I'm getting tired of seeing the Talisman...everytime I see it I want one :smile:

Yes, more info on the G20..

I shouldn't have started this thread..Now I got to add more guns to my wish/want/buy list..
 

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The Glock mods that were done include: Heinie Straight Eight sights, an Alchemy "Power Lever" slide stop release (not sure I will leave this on) and the trigger was changed to a 3.5 lb connector and a NY 1 trigger spring. I like this trigger better than any other Glock combo I have tried. The G20 slide with the longer sight radius and extra mass works well for me. I bought a Ky-Tac Braveheart holster for it, and it conceals about as well as that big square slide will allow. I feel like I can conceal the Talisman just about as well as the chunky Glock. The STI is so flat compared to the Glock, but then you do have to deal with having the bigger double stack butt to conceal. The grip reshape does makes a HUGE difference in feel, pointability and overall shootability. Dane suggested leaving the finger grooves on and I do like how it works out, in that it causes me to make sure I am indexing my hand correctly, i.e. not monkey gripping it.

The one thing still to be resolved, is the mag base pads for the 10mm mags vs. the .45 mags. The photo shows a G30 mag in the gun. To me, the G30 mag is just enough longer that it makes a big difference in ones ability to grasp it securely. With the 10 round G30 mags I can just get enough of my last finger on there to make it feel right. With the 10 round G29 mags, my pinky doesn't have a place to land. Dane cut the the backstrap to G30 length, as we can't add more backstrap, but we could cut it later. I still need to play with getting the right size mag base extender that doesn't alter the mags, in such a way, as to make them illegal (adding capicity) -- which is not exactly a good idea in a carry gun IMO. Unfortunately, the G29 and G30 base pads attach differently. :sad:

FWIW, Dane has expressed concerns that the 10mm breech face is not properly sized for the 9x23. I am told Caspian is planing a 9mm slide for the G20/21 frames. Dane's feedback (from users in the field) has been that the 10mm mags don't fuction 100% loaded with 9x23. Not that I doubt David's experience, but I will only carry 10mm rounds, when I have proven it to myself that the 9x23 works 100% in the Glock.

BTW, I previously posted a thread about the Glock here. There was also a thread on the Talisman here.

The Glock is nicer than I though a Glock could be. It was also a pretty cheap date compared to the Talisman, but then there is NO QUESTION which I like better or would chose if I could only have one. The Talisman is just plain sweet. Trust me eerw, you DO want one of these. All the controls are familiar to 1911 shooters and the extra capacity is reassuring. Though my single stacks feels like sports cars after piloting the fat bottomed double stack for a while. Still the carry double stack from BCP inspires true confidence. Damn fine piece! :cool:

DD

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Try the "Pearce Grip" Glock 29 extension. Adds a place for the pinki and doesn't change capacity of the 29 magazines. The back is curved back into the rear of the grip frame,(also fits the 9 round 30 magazine). :smile: Mike
 

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That is one of the options I have been exploring. But if you can visualize this, you find the G29 mags come up short where the backstrap meets the mag base. This leave a little protrusion that can easily prevent you from fully seating the mags. Not good. I need something that makes a G29 mag as long as the G30 mag. I would likely have Dane grind of the hook on the end, so that the profile was more like the G30 rounded one. Texturing will cover over the grind marks.

DD

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DD On the 29, with full mag. it does take a sharp rap to seat mag. on closed slide. The Pearce base clears rear of frame by 1/16" A friend has a 30 and I though they were the same as never compared the frames. Mike
 

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A Colt Series 80 MkIV dual caliber .38S/9X23, didn't come from the factory that way, just lucked into a factory barrel. BoMar sights, and the receiver slabs slabs are polished on a stainless frame. It's one of the prettiest `11's Ive ever seen.
 

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Does a Destroyer carbine count? It's 9x23 largo/Bayard but supposedly(Haven't tried yet) you can shoot 9x23 winchester loads out of it. :grin:
A neat toy/fun gun for the price. Got mine from aimsurplus.com for $139. I'd post a pic of it but I cancelled my photopoint acct...so here's what it looks like...only not in quite as good of shape as this one....

Destroyer carbine info
 

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As my SVI Project 9x23 is taking more time and money then I had planned on (like that is news to anyone here), and having sold a Winchester '97 that I no longer needed, I'll be picking up this "Used but NOT Abused" STI Eagle tomorrow to hold me over until my SVI is completed. So we can add that to the list. It has a Bull Barrel and I think I'll get it Hard Chromed. May put it up for sale in six months or so.


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