Hi. i know that this forum have really good level in their post, and there are a lot of Heckler aficionados. So i want to know, wich is for you the best Heckler handgun ever made. For me, i have to tell, is the P-9 S 45 ACP.
I have always liked the P9 and it's accuracy is outstanding out of the box, but I'm going to disagree with you guys as the P9 is just not very durable the rolling lock does not have the strength of the P7 design, the sights are poor, and I am not a fan of the stock trigger.
I would have to give the title to the P7 design.
The P7 is an engineering masterpiece and it incorporates a level of strength, accuracy, and machine work that exceed most true custom guns.
Very few shooters and enthusiasts received the P7 with open arms and even fewer are truly knowledgable of the pistol and its manual of arms. (I once showed a very well known big name smith my P7 with well over 25,000 rounds through it and he remarked at how tight it was and that it would not be reliable as a carry gun, I smiled and have not come back again)The P7 is not and never will be the novice shooters or the careless pistol handlers tool of choice, it is however the experts gun at any level. Even Lt. Col Jeff Cooper owns several.
Some find fault with the P7 series for being based on the 9mm cartridge but the engineers at HK never intended the pistol to be carried as the sole weapon issued to the soldier, it was meant as an integral piece of the arms equation with the pistol or rifle caliber carbine being the primary issue arm.
The P7 in 9mm arguably is not a fight stopper but with 8 or 13 round capacity it does hold enough rounds to buy you both time and distance to retreat or transition to a more powerful weapon or seek cover to reload.
Also the 9mm round is ok and moves ahead in effectiveness with multiple hits and +p+ JHP's and yes you can shoot +p+ and NATO rounds through the P7 with absolutely no ill effects.
Remember the P7 like the Rolex is a production piece but it is a very good production piece and well worth what it costs
and unlike so many firearms you buy these days you will retain a very high resale value and most times make a profit by selling or trading it.
Well, i own a P7 M13 too. It cost a lot for me, so i didn't shoot with it yet¡¡. Seriously, the first day i take possesion of it, i went to mi range to shoot. Great was mi surprise when, after maybe 40 or 50 rounds of really rapid fire, i barely could have the pistol in mi hand. I previously know that it went hot after some rounds, but i never believe up to the point that i could't have it in mi hands. But i agree with you that is a wonderful pistol, very fast in action and with a marvelous trigger.
But i really prefer the P9 S. here i have to tell you wich are mi preferences about shooting: i really don't like bulleye shooting. Most of mi shooting is in the 5 to 10 meters range, that is where according stadistics, all shootings ocured. Well, for this type of shooting, mi P-9 S ios incredible. I don't practice from a long time, but two years ago, i can obtain double taps in one or two inch at five meters with .15 seconds split. The lack of recoil is really amazing. But i also know the pistol have it drawbacks. Mine have the recoil buffer broken twice, and the reliability, i thinks due to the magazines, is not 100 %. But i love it. At last, i thinks .15 split is really fast, but remember, i base mi practice in this kind of shooting.
No. Not yet. The only piece that get broke was the recoil buffer, and twice. I heard in other forums that this piece is somehow the flaw of the P-9. Also, the ístol have marks in either side of the frame, where the buffer goes, not in the front of the pistol, but in the back. If you have the manual, is slighty ahead of the piece where the number 38 and 39 pieces goes. But you scare me a little, i have to wait for this crack to occur ? Besides this, i remember an article from Mas Ayoob, where he said that he used a P-9S a long time ago, and a little piece broke, but he continued use the pistol without it, and he had no problems at lot. I just could't remember wich piece was.
It is relatively common in the P9 series for the dust cover to crack over the screw mount at the end of the cover.
If it hasn't happened I would not worry about it, if it does I would not worry about it, I believe this is what Mas was referring to.
The P9 series is well known for worn/craked/broken recoil buffers.
Thanks, David. I retain mi peace of mind. Seriously, i really like the P-9, specially its capability in rapid fire. Actually, i don't fire it a lot now, just i don't want it to broke again, at least up to the moment i can buy another one. Last thing, had you experience reliability problems with yours.
Suprisingly even when I have broken a buffer in my P9 it has continued to function and on two occassions I only realized it when I cleaned the pistols. On my last P9 Mark Garrity reminded me that it was cracked when we were going to use it for a new holster for me, I have grown so used to the crack in the front that I had begun to overlook it.
I have a HK P9S in 9mm, P9S Target in .45ACP, USP 40, USP 45 Match, P7M8 and P7M10......my favorite is the P7M8 and P7M10! Absolutely the best pistol I own out of the box! I also have a SIG 210, 226, Kimber GM SS, and I put my P7 next to my bed.
It is sad that we cant buy em anymore in Commifornia.
I work on a lot of HK pistols. I think that the P7m8 is one of the finest 9 mm pistols in this world. The only reason that I do not carry mine on a daily basis is beause its a little heavy when compared to the Glock I carry. I have done a lot of trigger work on HK pistols and a USP is not in the class of a P7.