I've been testing out the new Winchester USA white box JHP loads in .40S&W and .45acp, and I am impressed. The 180gr. .40 load costs $13.96 for a box of 50 rounds, while the 230gr. .45 load sells for $16.96 for a box of 50 rounds. Prices are from Wal-Mart.
I fired 400 rounds of the .40 load through two Glock 23's, with no malfunctions. Muzzle velocity lists at 1010fps. I compared the muzzle flash of this load to several other brands/types, and there was very little difference. It is greater than the Winchester Ranger T load, but it wasn't even close to the blinding flash of the Winchester 155gr Silvertip, or the Speer 165gr. Gold Dot.
I soaked five rounds in a glass of water for 12 hrs., with no failure to fire. After five days of submersion however, all five loads tested fired, but with very little punch. The rounds cleared the muzzle, but that was about it.
I tested five loads for penetration and expansion in T-shirt covered wet newsprint, which isn't as fancy as ordinance gelatin, but it works for me. I fired two rounds of Remington Golden Saber as well, because I know the results of this load in ordinance gelatin, water, and newsprint from previous test results.
All five rounds penetrated what would be an average 15" in gelatin, and expanded to .66 caliber.
The same tests were conducted on the 230gr. .45 load, using a Glock 21 and a Springfield Armory 1911A1. All 400 rounds fired without a hitch in both guns, which are box-stock BTW. Velocity lists at 880fps. Muzzle flash was virtually identical to the Win. USA .40 cal. load tested, and I couldn't tell any real difference between it and other 230gr. loads tested, as far as loss of vision or sight picture. Next time I'll have someone else do the firing while I observe. All five loads tested fired without any effect after being soaked for 12 hrs. in water. In the newsprint tests, all five loads expanded to .67 caliber, and penetrated what would be an average of 15.5" in gelatin.
These loads perform almost exactly like the previous Winchester Subsonic brand, as well as the Federal Classic loadings.
Winchester lists the .40cal. 180gr. Subsonic load as penetrating 14.6" of ordinance gelatin and expanding to .64 caliber. Results for the 230gr. .45 Subsonic load are 15.5" and .66 caliber in ordinance gelatin.
I'll be purchasing more of this ammo and trying it in different weapons, as well as testing it in water and against barriers.
Make what you will of these unscientific results :smile: .
Regards,
Clay
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I fired 400 rounds of the .40 load through two Glock 23's, with no malfunctions. Muzzle velocity lists at 1010fps. I compared the muzzle flash of this load to several other brands/types, and there was very little difference. It is greater than the Winchester Ranger T load, but it wasn't even close to the blinding flash of the Winchester 155gr Silvertip, or the Speer 165gr. Gold Dot.
I soaked five rounds in a glass of water for 12 hrs., with no failure to fire. After five days of submersion however, all five loads tested fired, but with very little punch. The rounds cleared the muzzle, but that was about it.
I tested five loads for penetration and expansion in T-shirt covered wet newsprint, which isn't as fancy as ordinance gelatin, but it works for me. I fired two rounds of Remington Golden Saber as well, because I know the results of this load in ordinance gelatin, water, and newsprint from previous test results.
All five rounds penetrated what would be an average 15" in gelatin, and expanded to .66 caliber.
The same tests were conducted on the 230gr. .45 load, using a Glock 21 and a Springfield Armory 1911A1. All 400 rounds fired without a hitch in both guns, which are box-stock BTW. Velocity lists at 880fps. Muzzle flash was virtually identical to the Win. USA .40 cal. load tested, and I couldn't tell any real difference between it and other 230gr. loads tested, as far as loss of vision or sight picture. Next time I'll have someone else do the firing while I observe. All five loads tested fired without any effect after being soaked for 12 hrs. in water. In the newsprint tests, all five loads expanded to .67 caliber, and penetrated what would be an average of 15.5" in gelatin.
These loads perform almost exactly like the previous Winchester Subsonic brand, as well as the Federal Classic loadings.
Winchester lists the .40cal. 180gr. Subsonic load as penetrating 14.6" of ordinance gelatin and expanding to .64 caliber. Results for the 230gr. .45 Subsonic load are 15.5" and .66 caliber in ordinance gelatin.
I'll be purchasing more of this ammo and trying it in different weapons, as well as testing it in water and against barriers.
Make what you will of these unscientific results :smile: .
Regards,
Clay
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